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Old 30th January 2018, 09:43
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Re: Top Bf 109 aces

Please not another discussion about validity of claims.
This has been abundantly discussed in scores of other threads.

Here I simply want to find out if Hartman flew a Bf190K (and not a Bf109G) on the last day of the war in Europe.

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Old 30th January 2018, 10:12
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Here I simply want to find out if Hartman flew a Bf190K (and not a Bf109G) on the last day of the war in Europe.

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Then you will have a lot of research to undertake in different archives and even then you may never resolve the question.
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Old 30th January 2018, 11:42
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Re: Top Bf 109 aces

'simply' is not a word to be taken lightly when it comes to WWII air war.
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Old 30th January 2018, 12:00
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Hello Stig,

the word 'simply' refers to the question for Hartmann's last plane being very prosaic compared to talking about the validity of scores which always stirs up the emotions of several forum members.

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Old 30th January 2018, 13:19
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Re: Top Bf 109 aces

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Please not another discussion about validity of claims.
This has been abundantly discussed in scores of other threads.

Here I simply want to find out if Hartman flew a Bf190K (and not a Bf109G) on the last day of the war in Europe.

Michael
Please not another discussion of who shot down the most planes in the Bf109G based on painstaking meticulous research of the appendices in the backs of John Weal's little golden book of 109 Aces, that got old ages ago too
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Old 30th January 2018, 13:45
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Re: Top Bf 109 aces

According to the last researches by Dénes Bernard (French magazine "Avions" 209-210 January/April 2016), Rumanian top ace is Cantacuzino with 45 confirmed victories (1 shared), Serbanescu is credit with 44. I don’t know how many claimed with Bf109.

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Old 30th January 2018, 13:51
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Please not another discussion of who shot down the most planes in the Bf109G based on painstaking meticulous research of the appendices in the backs of John Weal's little golden book of 109 Aces, that got old ages ago too
Hello Nick,

I like John Weal's work and I wish I had more books written by him.
I consider your cynisms against John Weal and his readers like me, presumptuous.
Feel free to just ignore my threads, I wouldn't be cross with you.

Michael

Hello Flavio,

thanks for the hint. Indeed ,Cantacuzino was the top Rumanian ace by Rumanian standards.
But if you apply the standards of the of Axis nations to the Rumanian aces (unconfirmed not counted, shared as decimals...), Serbanescu is the man.

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Old 30th January 2018, 14:04
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Hello Nick,

I like John Weal's work and I wish I had more books written by him.
I consider your cynisms against John Weal and his readers like me, presumptuous.
Feel free to just ignore my threads, I wouldn't be cross with you.

Michael

Hello Flavio,

thanks for the hint. Indeed ,Cantacuzino was the top Rumanian ace by Rumanian standards.
But if you apply the standards of the of Axis nations to the Rumanian aces (unconfirmed not counted, shared as decimals...), Serbanescu is the man.

Cheers,

Michael
Back in the earlier incarnation of this forum, a far more creditable author (not that you'd own any of his works...) called John Weal out for plagiarism.

But say, Kunsel speaking of presumptuous, did you ever apologise to Nick Beale for your initial criticism of him way back when you first joined this forum....? Something about the world's most brilliant researchers... ...and a guy called Nick Beale

And as for ignoring your threads... ...getting them closed down is a lot of fun
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Hello Nick,

I like John Weal's work and I wish I had more books written by him.
I consider your cynisms against John Weal and his readers like me, presumptuous.
Michael
The criticism you will find here about John Weal's work is far from presumptuous, it is based on years of actual research into wartime sources. His books do offer a useful overview at a comparatively low price but, however much you like them, they are not necessarily accurate.
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And as for ignoring your threads... ...getting them closed down is a lot of fun
Oh, I already guessed that this is your primary intention but I'm really surprised that you admit it.
That makes not answering your posts a question of keeping the thread open. Good to know.
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