Soviet Kittyhawks vs Reconnaissance plane ?

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Hello

On 12/12/1943:
According to one of my sources (from Czech Republic ),that day two Kittyhawks (20.gw IAP)n° 1134 Lt Alexei Khlobystov or Cholbystov? and n° 1167 Lt Kalegayev were shot down by the rear gunner of a reconnaissance plane.

None has retourned,so what reconnaissance unit is involved?( I did not find any claims that day by JG 5 ).

Thank's in advance
michel

[Alex Smart]

Oblt. Haala of 10/JG54 claimed a P40 on the 12th.
Ref: Tony Woods files.
Alex

[kirche]

Hello,
Only 13.12.1943
Alexey Khlobystov (HSU) and Alexander Kolegaev - their P-40s were found (2009) near Zaozersk near each other in the area of ​​enemy positions. Presumably shot down by anti-aircraft artillery during the assault.
https://www.belpressa.ru/news/news/p...ego-deda16285/

http://airaces.narod.ru/all14/hlobyst.htm
https://vmnews.ru/novosti/2013/10/22...38232008ef22c8

Best regards,
Kirill

[kirche]

As my comrade Sergey Sergeyev told me:
"wiki:POW staffelkapitan 9/JG 5 Hptm. Hans-Hermann Schmidt reported (_.01.1944) about two Soviet P40 rammed each other by pilotage mistake.
A.Khlobystov got HSU for ramming.
A.Kolegayev was young pilot."

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However,according to Vlastimil Ehrman and Valerij Roman,they were shot
down by a german reconnaissance plane.
So,1.(F/124 or 1.(H)/32 claimed that day (13/12/43) "abschuss"? or maybe by
JG5.

That day a Jak-9D of 3./195.IAP was shot down by a rotte bf 109 in escort of one FW 189.

If what is right (H.H.SCHMIDT),this would mean that witnesses (BF.109) were present ?

But it's only speculation.

michel

[kirche]

From the interrogation report of Hptm. Schmidt: ".. .the aerial observation posts reported the flight of two aircraft of the type "Kittyhawk" along the front line. During this flight covering the plane made a bad maneuver and crashed into the of his master. Both aircraft crashed and burned along with the pilots. The resulting flight of rifle and machine-gun fire gave the infantry unit reason to believe that both aircraft were shot down by infantry weapons"

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Well,thank's for the clarification.

Someone knows who claimed the yak of 3./195 IAP?

Best Regards
Michel

[kirche]

Hi Michel,
Log 1 Gw.SAD, clarification in the summary for 13.12.1943: "According to the testimony of a prisoner of war Val'ru (? inaudible), aircrafts Kittyhawk died as a result of their collisions"
Initially, there was a strong fire with earth and was heard a strong explosion. Aviation of the enemy on the Soviet side (1 Gw. SAD) is not revealed.

The report of 7 VA in December 1943 from 195 IAP air combat for 13.12.1943 not marked. There are air combat 14.12.1943 - 4 Yak-7 vs 2 Bf 109. To no avail.

Best regards,
Kirill