Early Bf109 and Ju88

[Primoz]

I've only got two sources: one is an IPMS Austria decal sheet for the Ju 86 and the other is this photo: http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/Ju86E-3.jpg

The latter could be a Hungarian Ju 86 (considering the intake under the engine and "something" (I'm afraid I don't know what it is) above (aft of the engine, that is). It isn't Swedish, but Swedish Ju 86s were painted RLM 61/62/63 anyway as you've pointed out (I think I've seen a color photo somewhere sometime ...).

It's not really an airtight case but the IPMS Austria sheet seems to be well researched.

[Graham Boak]

I think this is a colorised b+w picture not a true period colour, and so will have been touched up with the "expected" colours not necessarily the real ones. Interesting, though.
Certainly the colours and schemes on German export aircraft are less than perfectly documented - or at least published.

[edNorth]

Ok. Primoz and others. Will not debate on actual colurs used,
but the D-AXVM (ferry?) registration has likely been painted after the green / brown colours were applied. Primoz mentions an WL- registration. What was that registration, and is there an visible W.Nr. or can you or anyone else post pictures?

Ah - yes. Some photos on that website are indeed not from an Ju 88 cockpit, but an Do 17 Z ...

Anyway - does anyone know how many Ju 88 A´s with the HF antenna under the right side were built?

[Mike Watson]

Merrick covers the use of 61/62/63 for export airxraft after the introduction of 70/71 on LW acft.

[edNorth]

Hi again,

...is anyone out there that can confirm the W.Nr. for Ju 88 A-1?
...has anyone acess to the original JFM records for the period in question (was it in late 1939 or May/June 1940).

[Primoz]

There's photo of a Ju 88 A-0 with the rather unusual registration WL-008 in the book Under the Red Star (by Carl-Fredrik Geust) (p. 77). The text says, "Two Junkers Ju 88 bombers were delivered from Germany to the Soviet Union in 1940". The Werknummer was "possibly W Nr 5023". Unfortunately, it's the other a/c - the A-0 with 4-bladed props and standard 70/71 camo.

[edNorth]

Hello Mr. Primoz,

Thanks. This books title is not new-to-me (I saw it advertized some years ago) but I do not own it and cannot comment on its true accuracy, even if the author tells he does not know for certain ...

However a photo of Ju 88 ´A-0´ WL+008 has been around in books since the 1960´s at least (and many other WL-... ´letters or numbers´ are known for other types, but I do not keep a list of them... ). I first saw ´the now famous left side view´ photo of WL+008 in one of Willam Green´s many books on German WW2 aircraft (´way back when anyone belived them as beeing THE truth´) but I have never actually before seen comment´s on that machine going to the Soviet Union!

I do know of one website listing 5023 ´D-UXVM´.

Does anyone else have information to confirm or dispell this is really D-AXVM. There must by dosens of Ju 88 specalists out there dying to comment... (Ok - I know we are at the Luftwaffe forum, but while it still carries German codes or registrations it must be valid!)

Cheers.

[Primoz]

Well, D-UXVM mut be wrong as all heavier multi-engined aircraft carried D-A... registrations.

[edNorth]

Yes, I know but is 5023 then also wrong! Was it listed on <I belive Mr. Zoeller´s> the website first or did he get his info from the book ´Under the Red Star´. The Soviet photos starting all this discussion in the beginning show only ´50´ on the undercarriage leg.