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MACR's 15673 & 15677
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I have looked in Fold3 at both MACR's. They do not give much away. However MACR 15673 has pilot as ANDERS. MACR 15677 has pilot as McHUGH. My reason for the question is twofold. McHUGH. Firstly correspondence from the mother of Archie B. Tomlinson suggests that he was co-pilot in the a/c on the fatal flight. However the NoK address list has his name at the top, so to me suggests that he was the pilot and not McHugh. ANDERS Volume 3 of "the history of the MEDITERRANEAN AIR WAS 1940-1945" has the following. Page 368 Monday 1st March 1943. US Casualties 415BS/98BG B24D 41-23789 Thunderbird shot down over Naples; 1/Lt. Virgil M. Anders and eight crew Mia. And on Page 392 Thursday 18th March 1943 US Casualties 415BS/98BG B24D 41-23789 Zombie shot down near Naples ; 2Lt. Harry K. McHugh and nine crew Mia. There is an annotation though. Not 41-11789 as stated in vol 2. So I would not expect that the same a/c 41-23789 would have been shot down with loss of crew on two different dates and two different crews and two different artwork/names ? Has this been resolved yet ? I just checked B-24 Nose Art Name Directory , and for "Zombie" 98BG/415BS, the serial number is given as being 41-11790, photo(s) exists, but didn't this a/c survived the war ? Thanks Alex Last edited by Alex Smart; 12th February 2018 at 05:50. |
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Re: MACR's 15673 & 15677
For your information, Vittorio Minguzzi (22° gruppo) claimed a B24 shot down near Capri island on 1st March 1943 (17:30). He was flying a Dewoitine D.520.
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Re: MACR's 15673 & 15677
Hello Roncosano,
Many thanks for the info re the D.520, it backs up the same detail in the book Mediterranean Air War vol 2. Thank you Alex. |
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Re: MACR's 15673 & 15677
Hello,
Had a look at taracopp.com documents today. Found that for the 1st March 1943, ANDERS , pilot with VanWinkle, co-pilot were in a/c 789. So this must have been 41-23789 -"K", or 41-11789 -"F" ? Also for the 18th March 1943, McHugh pilot with Tomlinson co-pilot were in a/c 798. So this must have been 41-11798 - "F". Thanks Alex |
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Re: MACR's 15673 & 15677
FYI, the 41-11789 is an C-87 Liberator Express used by ATC, United Airlines.
/Johan |
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I found this thread with great interest as I am distantly kin to Virgil Anders, and am helping some of his nieces piece together his “puzzle”
I am not a member of Fold 3, is there anything in the MACR worth the subscription? Also, am I correct that his plane was 23789? Thanks for any help that can be provided. One niece seems to think there may have been a picture of Anders and his crew that she is looking thru her mother’s stuff to find. I am a distant cousin of Virgil Anders, and am working with his nieces trying to put his story together for family history. I’ve seen the reports as shown on taracopp. Family believes they have a photo of crew and the plane Any more input? Best Regards Virgil Roberts Grandson of WWII vets, one serving under Patton, the other in Rommel’s Afrika Korps |
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Re: MACR's 15673 & 15677
So just to clarify the information
1st March 1943, ANDERS, Pilot with VanWinkle, co-pilot were in a/c 41-23789 K "Thunderbird". Crashed into sea somewhere in Tirreno sea, (Mediterranean Sea) near Naples, Italy. Shot Down possible by Uffz. Lt. Rudi Dassow, 7./ZG 1, Me-210 Or was it shot down by MAGG Vittorio Minguzzi 22 Gr AUT CT, D 520 ? 18th March 1943, McHugh pilot with Tomlinson co-pilot were in a/c 41-11798 F "Pink Lady". Shot down and crashed into sea somewhere outside Naples. Any more information regarding what happened to this plane than nor trace of either crew or plane? Any claim? and by who? /JohanSWE Last edited by JohanSWE; 7th April 2020 at 07:40. Reason: update |
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