Luftwaffe loss 8.12.44 at Neede, Holland - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

Andy_Ingham · #1 13th October 2009, 21:24

Two pilots from 127 Squadron (F/S Griffin & Attwooll) shared in the claim of a Bf109 destroyed near to the village of Neede in eastern Holland. The combat took place at around 1230pm on 8.12.1944. Following the air to air combat the enemy fighter was followed down and was seen to crash in flames. No evidence of a parachute was seen.
Can anyone help in identifying the enemy aircraft and the identity of the pilot.
Thanks
Andy

Snautzer · #2 13th October 2009, 21:44

loss list of all plane that came down in Holland.

click 1944 for a pdf version for that year

http://www.nimh.nl/nl/nieuws/nieuwsb...sterklaar.aspx

Andy_Ingham · #3 13th October 2009, 22:05

Thanks for that link.
However there are no BF109 losses on the 8.12.44.
Could the aircraft have come down over the border in Germany.
Neede is only 3km from the German border.

Bas Maathuis · #4 13th October 2009, 22:11

Andy,

Are you sure about the date?
In our Loss Register we have three Luftwaffe entries for 8th december 1944:

Arado 234 near Herwijnen, further details missing
Ju 88 S-3, Wn 330964 of 1./LG 1 crashed Zuidbroek, province of Groningen, FF Fw. R. Butz.
Ju 88 S-3, Wn 330959 of 4./LG 1 crashed near Groede, south of Vlissingen (Flushing), FF Fw. G. Bohlmann.

We've got no Luftwaffe losses with minor (< 60%) damage for 8th december 1944

Bas Maathuis · #5 13th October 2009, 22:13

Andy,

Neede is about 10 km from the German border.
Still, 10 km is not that much but.....

Andy_Ingham · #6 13th October 2009, 22:41

Yes the date is correct.
I attach an extract from the 127 sqn ORB.

Regards
Andy

Nick Beale · #7 13th October 2009, 22:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snautzer

loss list of all plane that came down in Holland.

click 1944 for a pdf version for that year

http://www.nimh.nl/nl/nieuws/nieuwsb...sterklaar.aspx

Brilliant information. Can someone tell me what the asterisks (*) against some of the aircraft mean?

Thanks.

Frans A · #8 13th October 2009, 23:37

Nick,
The asteriks mean that the damage was more than 60% thus total loss.

Frans.A (coördinator of this lossregister)

Frans A · #9 13th October 2009, 23:38

Correction

Former coördinator of this lossregister

Frans.A

Nick Beale · #10 13th October 2009, 23:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frans A

Nick,
The asteriks mean that the damage was more than 60% thus total loss.

Frans.A (coördinator of this lossregister)

Thank you Frans.

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