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Two unidentified Flak claims Mannheim 5-6 September 1943
Dear all,
I have two Flak claims at Mannheim on the night of 5-6 September 1943 for which I have been unable to find matching Bomber Command losses, who can help: A Stirling Flak claim at Mannheim-Rheinau at 00.05 hrs A Lancaster Flak claim at Mannheim-Benz at 00.06 hrs. Cheers, Theo |
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Re: Two unidentified Flak claims Mannheim 5-6 September 1943
Hello Theo,
I don't know if you have rejected the idea that these aircraft may not have been Downed by Flak ? Also maybe a Flak team claimed a couple of aircraft that were also claimed by Luftwaffe pilots ? So I offer two that I came across in the ancient Tony Woods files. 2Km South East of MANNHEIM 00.05 LANCASTER 6/JG300 Fw.Kofler. and 6Km South of MANNHEIM 00.07 HALIFAX Stab/JG300 Fw.Ullrich Veh. Maybe a Flak team also claimed for these two aircraft ? Alex |
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Re: Two unidentified Flak claims Mannheim 5-6 September 1943
To follow up,
There were nine(9) Stirling III's lost on the night of 5/6 September, 1943 according to Chorley's RAF Bomber Command Losses 1943.they were all on an Op to Mannheim. 75 Sqdn EE893 - JN⊙N Crashed Schwanheim, 4 Km WNW of Bensheim, 4 Kia, 3 POW. 90 Sqdn EF129 - WF⊙Q Crashed at Limbergerhof, some 7 Km SSW of Ludwigshafen, 7 Kia. 149 Sqdn BF477 - OJ⊙B Crashed, (engine failure ) at Sorbon(Ardennes), 5 Km NNW of Rethel, France. 149 Sqdn BK711 - OJ⊙O Shot down, dual Flak and night fighter. Crashed near Hockenheim, 4 Kia, 3 POW. 149 Sqdn EE872 - OJ⊙N Shot down by night fighter, Crashed near Ludwigshafen, 6 Kia, 1 POW. 196 Sqdn EE964 - ZO⊙F Crashed at Bachenau, 16 Km NNW of Heilbronn. 7 Kia, 1 POW. 196 Sqdn EE973 - ZO⊙U Hit by Flak over Speyer, lost Starboard outer engine. Crash Landed back in the UK, 1 injured. 620 Sqdn EH931 - QS⊙O Shot down by night fighter, aircraft exploded and crashed at Altdorf, 16 Km WSW of Speyer, 4 Kia, 4 POW. 623 Sqdn EH878 - IC⊙I Shot down by night fighter, Crashed at Schonborn, 4 Km SW of Simmern, 6 Kia, 1 POW. Alex |
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Re: Two unidentified Flak claims Mannheim 5-6 September 1943
Hello Alex,
Many thanks for your elaborate replies. Yes, I've taken into account that the two Flak claims may well have been contested by (single or twin-engined) night fighters, as was the case in many instances during the late summer and fall of 1943. I have analysed all of the known to me crash locations including the ones that you mention, but none appear to match the two Flak claims at 00.05 and 00.06 hrs ... Cheers, Theo |
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