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Old 28th February 2013, 22:55
Hans Nauta Hans Nauta is offline
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Loss Do 217 Wnr 8389 Ln Versuchs Rgt on 29th January 1943

Dear all,

I hope someone can help me out this query:

Pilot Oblt Heinz Brodtmann was killed in Do 217E-2 Wnr 8389 during a crash or crashlanding at Soesterberg airfield, The Netherlands.

The concerned unit was a 'Ln Versuchs Rgt' but I doubt if this is right. As far as I know the Luftnachrichten Regiments were only ground units.

I cannot find the Wnr in the GQM lists for that date, so I wonder if things aren't mixed up one way or another.

Perhaps somebody can shed a light on this?

Thanks in advance,

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Old 1st March 2013, 00:49
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Re: Loss Do 217 Wnr 8389 Ln Versuchs Rgt on 29th January 1943

The Ln.-Versuchs-Rgt. (Stab at Köthen) had some 25 Kompanien (1.-25.) including a 6.(Flieger)Kp. The Kp. and other components of the Rgt. had Fi 156s, He 111s, Do 17s, Do 217s, Bf 109s, Fw 190s, etc.

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Old 1st March 2013, 03:37
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Re: Loss Do 217 Wnr 8389 Ln Versuchs Rgt on 29th January 1943

My Do 217 data base does not have any Do 217s in the 8xxx block. I know my list is not complete, but since there isn't a single entry, it might be a typo.

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Old 1st March 2013, 06:58
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Re: Loss Do 217 Wnr 8389 Ln Versuchs Rgt on 29th January 1943

1943-01-29, 7./Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen, Do 217E-4, 4389, Fl.Pl. Soesterberg, Absturz und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Lt Brodtmann, Heinz, +
Bordfunker Uffz Rudolf, Alfred, +
Bordmechaniker Uffz Rascher, Arno, +
Prüfer Flg Albl, Gerhard, +

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Old 1st March 2013, 08:26
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Re: Loss Do 217 Wnr 8389 Ln Versuchs Rgt on 29th January 1943

Dear Larry, ArtieBob and Matti,

Thank you all very much for the quick clarification of the unit, correction of the Wnr and additional details.

Another query solved!

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Old 1st March 2013, 12:59
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Re: Loss Do 217 Wnr 8389 Ln Versuchs Rgt on 29th January 1943

Thanks Matti for the identification of the specific Kompanie charged with the Unfall. At that time, 7.(Fliegerversuchs-)/Ln.-Versuchs-Rgt. Köthen would have been the Kompanie that took aloft new signals equipment that could only be tested and evaluated aboard an aircraft. It may also have been used to calibrate ground radar equipment and systems.

In addition to 6.(Flieger-) and 7.(Fliegerversuchs-), 2.(RV-)/Ln.-Versuchs-Rgt. based at Köthen also had a number of aircraft, including He 111 H-6s. This Kompanie experimented with and used Richtverbindungs equipment that was used for line-of-sight voice and teletype transmissions.

A very interesting Luftwaffe signals unit!

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Old 1st March 2013, 14:59
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Re: Loss Do 217 Wnr 8389 Ln Versuchs Rgt on 29th January 1943

These are all losses of Ln.Vers.Rgt. I have in my database.

1940-11-14, Ln.Vers.Rgt.d.Ob.d.L., Fi 156C-1, 4290, Fl.Pl. Saint-Inglevert, Sturmschaden. Bruch 20 %.
1940-11-14, Ln.Vers.Rgt.d.Ob.d.L., Ju 52/3m, 2952, Fl.Pl. Saint-Omer, Sturmschaden. Bruch 10 %.
1940-11-14, Ln.Vers.Rgt.d.Ob.d.L., Ju 52/3m, 5913, Fl.Pl. Saint-Omer, Sturmschaden. Bruch 50 %.
1941-01-16, Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen, He 111H-1, 2427, Homenstrand, Notlandung infolge Brennstoffmangel. Bruch 30 %.
1941-03-18, Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen, Ju 52/3m, Bei Klewke, Notlandung infolge technischer Störung. Bruch 40 %.
1941-06-05, Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen, He 111P-1, 2436, Bei Osternienburg, Absturz. Bruch 100 %.
1941-10-24, 7./Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen, Do 17Z-2, 1152, Bei Bourges, Notlandung infolge Brennstoffmangel. Bruch 85 %.
1941-12-15, Ln.Vers.Rgt.(mot) Köthen, FW 58C-2, 58413, Fl.Pl. Köthen, Zusammenstoß beim Start mit Ju 86, Werk.-Nr. 863071. Bruch 80 %.
1942-01-30, II/Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen, He 111H, 5104, Bei Insterburg, Technische Mängel. Bruch 100 %.
1942-04-08, 6./Ln.Flg.Versuchs-Kp., He 111H-5, 3548, Lindåsen Hidra, Vest Agder bei Kristiansand, Absturz. Bruch 100 %.
1942-09-30, Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen, Fi 156, 606, Bei Travemünde, Notlandung infolge Brennstoffmangel. Bruch 25 %.
1942-11-21, Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen, Fi 156, 5018, Südlich Furnes, Absturz infolge Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
1943-01-21, Ln.Vers.Rgt.(mot) Köthen, Fi 156, 5891, Bei Soltau, Absturz infolge Bodenberührung. Bruch 60 %.
1943-01-29, 7./Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen, Do 217E-4, 4389, Fl.Pl. Soesterberg, Absturz und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %.
1943-02-16, 6./Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen, He 111H-5, 3746, Fl.Pl. Esbjerg, Fahrwerkschaden. Bruch 20 %.
1943-03-27, II/Ln.Vers.Rgt., Fi 156, 5970, Bei Soldau, Unfreiwillige Bodenberührung. Bruch 40 %.
1943-03-29, II/Ln.Vers.Rgt., Bf 109F-4, 13185, Fl.Pl. Köthen, Bedienungsfehler beim Start. Bruch 60 %.
1943-05-21, Fl.Kp./Ln.Vers.Rgt., FW 190A-4, 33, Bei Calbe, Notlandung infolge Motorstörung. Bruch 70 %.
1943-08-18, 2./Ln.Vers.Rgt., Bf 109F-4, 7237, Köthen, Absturz infolge Bedienungsfehler. Bruch 80 %.
1943-12-20, 6./Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen, He 111H-6, 7834, Lönstrup, Bruchlandung infolge Motorbrand. Bruch 100 %.
1944-01-15, II/Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen, Ju 52/3m, 130742, Fl.Pl. Posen, Bedienungsfehler. Bruch 55 %.
1945-01-16, Fl.Kp./Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen, He 111H-20, 700204, Fl.Pl. Giebelstadt, Bombenwurf. Bruch 100 %.
1945-02-10, Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen, He 111H-11, 8036, Bombenwurf. Bruch 60 %.
1945-02-24, Fl.Kp./Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen, Fi 156C-3, 110380, Überschlag bei Landung. Bruch 20 %.


Can anyone confirm, whether II/Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen should actually be 2./Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen?

Matti
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Old 1st March 2013, 17:30
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Re: Loss Do 217 Wnr 8389 Ln Versuchs Rgt on 29th January 1943

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Can anyone confirm, whether II/Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen should actually be 2./Ln.Vers.Rgt. Köthen?
Almost certainly not the Abteilungstab of II./Ln.-Versuchs-Rgt., but rather either 2./Ln.-Vers.Rgt. or one of the Kpn. that belonged to II./Ln.-Vers.Rgt., e.g. 6.Kp. or 7.Kp. If I had to make an educated guess, I would say either 6.Kp. or 7.Kp.

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Old 1st March 2013, 22:43
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Re: Loss Do 217 Wnr 8389 Ln Versuchs Rgt on 29th January 1943

Kiitos Matti

A very useful list

Cheers
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