Luftwaffe losses during Crete campaign 5.1941

[retje]

Originally Posted by Joda87

The forum guy Jafü Mittelrhein list Gefr.Hans Budelist as crew member of He 111 3853, instead of Franz Hudelist. Which one is the correct name?

Hi,

Franz Hudelist *24.02.1918 in Markt Griffen/Ostmark, 6./KG 26, +20.05.1941 beim Einsatz auf Kreta notgelandet.

René

[Joda87]

Many thanks!
So, according to what I could find, Heraklion Sector:

May 20th:

2 He 111 belonged to II./KG 26 were hit:

He 111 H5, 6./KG 26 (3843)
- Oblt.Kurt von Stetten (kia)
- Oblt.Werner Schmidt (Beobachter) (kia)
- Uffz.Heinz Kube (Funker) (ferito)
- Uffz. Johann Miedl (Bordmechaniker) (kia)
- Gefr.Franz Hudelist (Burdschütze) (kia)

He 111 H5, 6./KG 26 (3953)
- Ofw.Wilhelm Tönnesmann (ferito)
- Fw.Mathias Holler (ferito)
- Uffz.Horst Funke (ferito)
- Gefr.Heinz Winkler (ferito)

May 22nd :

1 (unknown aircraft) belonged to III.(Aufkl)/LG 2 was hit:

(unknown aircraft), 7(F)/LG 2
- Olt Erich Ludwig Otto Kissel

Can anybody help me giving confirm of the first 2 aircrafts and fulfilling the lacking info about the 3rd of LG 2? (btw, I suppose if was a Bf 110)

[Joda87]

A little update: what about the Ju 52 (6240) shot down over Heraklion on May 20th, 2./KG zbV 101? I have 3 names of the crew: H.Biewendt, Werner Kirmse and Erich Mählig.

Does anyone have more info about?

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by Joda87

1 (unknown aircraft) belonged to III.(Aufkl)/LG 2 was hit:

(unknown aircraft), 7(F)/LG 2
- Olt Erich Ludwig Otto Kissel

Can anybody help me giving confirm of the first 2 aircrafts and fulfilling the lacking info about the 3rd of LG 2? (btw, I suppose if was a Bf 110)

Both your He 111 were on specific Crete missions (not the Suez Canal)

Bf 110 E-3 WNr 2330 L2+PR crashed on a mission to Crete crew Oblt Erich Kiesel and Fw Erwin Adam both KIA

Source: Die Deutsche Luftwaffe in Griechenland by Byron Tesapsides
If your interest is Crete, it is a book you should get. I believe Byron has published a second edition of it (this quote is from the first edition)

B Rgds
Stig

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by Joda87

A little update: what about the Ju 52 (6240) shot down over Heraklion on May 20th, 2./KG zbV 101? I have 3 names of the crew: H.Biewendt, Werner Kirmse and Erich Mählig.

Does anyone have more info about?

Unit code was G6+EK.
Crewmembers killed or wounded were:
BO Uffz Willi Schürme (WIA)
BF Uffz Werner Kirmse (KIA)
BM Fw Erich Mählig (KIA)

Source: same as before, but Byron does not mention any H. Biewendt.
Your own source please

B Rgds
Stig

[Joda87]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

Unit code was G6+EK.
Crewmembers killed or wounded were:
BO Uffz Willi Schürme (WIA)
BF Uffz Werner Kirmse (KIA)
BM Fw Erich Mählig (KIA)

Source: same as before, but Byron does not mention any H. Biewendt.
Your own source please

B Rgds
Stig

Many thanks! I got the info from Yannis Prekatsounakis, Crete 1941 the battle for Heraklion

[retje]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

Unit code was G6+EK.
Crewmembers killed or wounded were:
BO Uffz Willi Schürme (WIA)
BF Uffz Werner Kirmse (KIA)
BM Fw Erich Mählig (KIA)

Source: same as before, but Byron does not mention any H. Biewendt.
Your own source please

B Rgds
Stig

Hi,

Biewendt, Helmut, *01.12.1918 in Eilenstedt, 2./KG zbV 101, +21.05.1941 in Iraklion, Friedhof anlage Iraklion Grab 455.
(Source: BArch-PA-Berlin)

René

[Joda87]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

Both your He 111 were on specific Crete missions (not the Suez Canal)

Stig

A last question about them:
He 111 h5, 5./KG 26 (wrk.nr.3953), Ofw.Wilhelm Tönnesmann, Fw.Mathias Holler, Uffz.Horst Funke, Gefr.Heinz Winkler
What is correct, 5./KG 26 or 6./KG 26? I found both in my researches

[Stig Jarlevik]

Joda

Sources differ.
Byron has preferred the "old" interpretation and says 6./KG 26 while Steenbeck gives a "new" interpretation and says 5./KG 26

I don't know what findings have resulted in such a way to make Steenbeck change the previous held view.

It would also be interesting to know why Biewendt was connected with WNr 6240. Was he badly wounded on the 20th and died the day after (21st) or was he killed on the ground?

B Rgds
Stig

[Joda87]

Sorry, may be you think I'm very ignorant, but I'm getting great knowledge thanks to this thread
many thanks.

How is it possible to understand the codes you all use here? Like G6+EK

Sidney in post #7 kindly explained me, thanks, but where I can find the first LW unit corresponding two digits (1H or G6) or the 4th digit (like K in EK)?