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JG51 Victories
20Aug44
Ofw Joachim Bussert Stab III 16:36 Boston III (Douglas A-20 1GMTAP KBF) 14Sep44 Uffz Helmut Gloeckner Stabs Staffel 14:26 Boston III (Douglas A-20 1GMTAP KBF) 14:29 Boston III (Douglas A-20 1GMTAP KBF) Lt Gustav Sturm Stabs Staffel 14:31 Boston III (Douglas A-20 1GMTAP KBF) |
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Re: JG51 Victories
22Sep44 Losses for 1 GMTAP KBF
Douglas A-20 Lt Zhilenkov Douglas A-20 M. Lt Baranov Douglas A-20 M. Lt Thepermiaks(?) JG51 claims for 22Sep44 Hptm Joachim Brendel Stab III 10:27 Boston III Oblt ? III 10:28 Boston III Uffz Hoppe Stab III 10:25 Yak-7 Ofw Friedrich Simon 9. 10:29 Boston III Uffz Moelders 10. 10:30 Boston III Ofw Josef Gaebl 10. 10:31 Boston III The 22nd fight doesn't say if there was another unit with the 1 GMTAP KBF flying Boston III's. It also doen't have how many planes were damaged and doesn't say what IAP was doing escort. If you want to read about the 1 GMTAP KBF go to www.bellabs.ru/51/ . Maybe a Russian member can give more about the 22 Sep 44. |
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Re: JG51 Victories
Good Stuff Nokose!!!
Keep it up, Rob Romero |
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Re: JG51 Victories
In The Sky Bombers by G.A. Osipov (Shchelkovo series 2003)
Barbarossa The Air Battle by Christer Bergstrom 08Aug41 15:40(Moscow)- 57 BAP (1st mission) on Yelnya 27 SB (11 lost) 1 Bf-109 claimed JFV 6/II by Jochen Prien Stab III/JG51 (listed in Barbarossa as II/JG51) Hptm Richard Leppla DB-3 (32) 15:25 3km W of Jelnja Lt Karl-Heinz Weber DB-3 (7) 15:25 Hptm Richard Leppla DB-3 (33) 15:26 IV/JG51 11. Lt Georg Seelman DB-3 (28) 15:08 10. Oblt Johann Knauth DB-3 (12) 15:20 11. Lt Karl Schnecker SB-2 (3) 15:21 11. Lt Georg Seelmann DB-3 (29) 15:29 10. Obfw Adolf Borchers DB-3 (12) 15:30 12. Obfr Ernst Weismann DB-3 (3) 15:35 12. Lt Herbert Huppertz DB-3 (30) 15:35 12. Lt Herbert Huppertz DB-3 (31) 15:38 (No Bf-109's lost) |
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Re: JG51 Victories
09Aug41
57 BAP (3AE) (3rd mission) 8 SB (5 lost) claimed 1 Bf-109 JFV 6/I by Jochen Prien 12./JG51 Lt Herbert Huppertz SB-3 (33) 19:00 Uffz Helmut Heerdt SB-3 (2) 19:00 Lt Heinz Baer SB-3 (55) 19:00 Obfhr Ernst Weismann SB-3 (4) 19:03 Obfw Heinrich Hoffman SB-3 (37) 19:05 (Lt Huppertz's Bf-109 shot down) 10Aug41 57 BAP (Night missions) SB flown bt St. Lt Georgiy Alekseyevich Osipov [author of "In the Sky Bombers"] returned to base with heavy damage JFV 6/I 9./JG51 Obfw Edmund Wagner DB-3 (17) 19:15 (possibly Osipov's SB) |
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Re: JG51 Victories
JFV 9/II by Jochen Prien
Stab II/JG51 Hptm Hartmann Grasser LaGG-3 (69) 12:05 PlQu 47524 StabII/ JG51 Lt Guenther Ruebell LaGG-3 (37) 12:25 PlQu 47552 Losses II/JG51 5/JG51 N.N. Luftkampf, Rshew 100% Wknr 9564 Source: airforce.ru LaGG-3 5GIAP Mayor Grigorii Denisovich Onufrienko (29 victories, Total for war) shot down by Grasser LaGG-3 5GIAP Lt Ibragim Shagiakhmedovich Bikmukhametov returned to base after ramming Bf-109 (Wknr. 9541) claim made by Ruebell Stalin's Falcons by Tomas Polak List Onufrienko claiming a Bf-109 on the 04Aug42 Bikmuhametov one Bf-109(10th) shot down and one Bf-109 (11th) rammed |
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Re: JG51 Victories
Was a Bf 109 indeed rammed and if so -whose was it?
If a ramming was involved, how could Ruebell claim it as a victory? Rob Romero |
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Re: JG51 Victories
The Wknr for the one claimed as rammed is different for the Bf-109F-2 lost in the dogfight in JFV. Maybe Ruebell was attacking the LaGG-3 when this incident happen and saw it going down. It seems that 5GIAP claimed three Bf-109's in this fight but only 1 is listed. Hopefully someone has info on the Wknr listed as rammed.
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Re: JG51 Victories
Source: Barbarossa- The Air Battle by Christer Bergstroem
Lists 18 SB of the 39SBAP attacking the Bug River bridge on 22Jun41. All 18 lost. He lists 2 to H. Baer, 4 to Hoefemeier and 6 to other JG51 pilots. JFV 6/I by Jochen Prien 22Jun41 1. Oblt Heinz Baer SB-2 (19) 09:40 SB-2 (20) 09:45 1. Obfw Heinrich Hoefemeier SB-2 (1) 09:40 SB-2 (2) 09:42 SB-2 (3) 09:43 Kossow-Siedlce SB-2 (4) 09:45 "" 3. Oblt Heinrich Kraft SB-2 (6) 09:55 SB-2 (7) 10:02 3. Oblt Erich Viebahn SB-2 (1) 09:57 SB-2 (2) 09:58 3. Uffz Egon Grosse SB-2 (1) 09:57 SB-2 (2) 09:59 3. Uffz Wilhelm Theimann SB-2 (2) 10:00 3. Uffz Herbert Bareuther SB-2 (1) 10:01 3. Lt Fritz Duenkel SB-2 (1) 10:03 Last edited by Nokose; 15th December 2007 at 06:11. Reason: Wrong Teil # original was 9 and should have been 6 |
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JG 51 Victories
Hello Nokose
Excellent and informative post as usual! Just one observation: could it have been that Oberfeldwebel Heinrich Höfemeier (96 victories, RK, killed in action 7 August 1943) of 1./JG 51 was wounded in battle with these SB twin-engined bombers in Bf 109 F-2 "White 5" (W.Nr. 5423) east of Siedlce on 22 June 1941? I have the impresson that this was the case or was it in some later combat? Horrido! Leo |
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