JG51 Victories

[Nokose]

In Christer Bergstroem's book "Barbarossa The Air Battle" (I liked this one better then BCRS#1) it did mention that he was wounded in the arm during this dogfight.

[Nokose]

22Jun41 Kobrin area
123IAP lost 9 I-153 during day.

JFV6/I
IV/JG51
11. Oblt. Franz Hahn
I-153 (8) 03:40 W of Kobryn
I-153 (9) 03:45 ""
I-153 (10) 03:47 " "
(Source allaces.ru shows 123IAP c.o. Major Boris Nikolayich Surin (KIA) approx 05:00 Moscow time which is possibly the only victory by Hahn [IMHO])
11. Lt Georg Seelman I-153 (4) 07:05
11. Fw Erwin Janke I-153 (2) 07:05
10. Oblt Johann Knauth I-153 (2) 07:06
10. Lt Bernd Gallowitsch I-153 (6) 07:10 W of Kobryn
10. Uffz Willi Hegner I-153 (1) 07:12 W of Kobryn

12. Oblt Karl-Gottfried Nordmann I-153 (10) 10:10 W of Kobryn
(source: Barbarossa the Air Battle by Christer Bergstroem lists this as I-153 Lt Petr S. Ryabtsev who rammed a Bf-109. No losses of Bf-109's)

JFV 9/II
Stab/JG53
Maj. Guenther Frhr von Maltzahn I-153 (16) 07:17 Kobryn area
Lt Franz Schiehs I-153 (1) 07:25 W of Kobryn
Oblt Wilfried Pufaht I-153 (1) 07:28 W of Kobryn

[Nokose]

20Feb45

Hptm. Joachim Brendel III/JG51 Pillau
Yak-3 Groupe Normandie-Nieman Lt Pierre Bleton (POW)

Source: Stalin's Falcons by Tomas Polak with Christopher Shores.

I don't have anymore info on this one

[drgondog]

The 355th FG lost two P-51s on September 18, 1944 on Frantic VII, near Kotje.

One was Vigna who hit a tree near the airfield chasing a 109 and the other wa was Thompson accidently shooting down Peters further SW.

Di JG 51 claim either one and what were their losses/damaged?

Regards,

Bill

[Franek Grabowski]

I believe Vigna was downed by a German, was not he? He reputedly landed at Nasielsk to see his victim. I have heard a story that a few years ago a German pilot visited the place of the crash but no further details nor if it is true story.
No known claims anyway.

[drgondog]

Originally Posted by Franek Grabowski

I believe Vigna was downed by a German, was not he? He reputedly landed at Nasielsk to see his victim. I have heard a story that a few years ago a German pilot visited the place of the crash but no further details nor if it is true story.
No known claims anyway.

Franek - I just re-read the Macr 'witness report' by Thompson and it reads quite differently in that Thompson and Peters were shooting at a 109 on the deck, and Vigna flying Peters' wing flew too low and hit a tree -

Now at the end of the day who is to know whether an unseen 109 was behind all of them and Thompson assumed it was an accident... so I can't say for sure that Vigna was NOT shot down.

This is the situation in which Thompson accidently shot down Peters..when he crossed between Thompson and the 109 being chased - realized what he had done and the 109 got away.

Regards,

Bill

[drgondog]

Leo - off topic but I would solicit your help in two loose ends for the 355th.

On May 19, 1944 Hudson Packard chased a Do 217 into a cloud deck near Gardelegen at 1255. According to J-1127 he collided with a "me 110 (training)" and went in 2 miles east of Mieste (?).

Do you have any details regarding the Me 110?

On August 16, 1944 acccording to Tony Woods/Les Butler LW awards list Uffr Probst of 2./JG3 rammed John Riggs at low altitude, killing Riggs.

According to report J-1955, Probst was credited for the ramming but they described his unit as "8 (heavy) Udet" and suffered 90% damage to his 109.

Do you have any details or corrections to either?

Regards and many thanks for your help.

Bill

[Franek Grabowski]

Originally Posted by drgondog

Franek - I just re-read the Macr 'witness report' by Thompson and it reads quite differently in that Thompson and Peters were shooting at a 109 on the deck, and Vigna flying Peters' wing flew too low and hit a tree -

Now at the end of the day who is to know whether an unseen 109 was behind all of them and Thompson assumed it was an accident... so I can't say for sure that Vigna was NOT shot down.

This is the situation in which Thompson accidently shot down Peters..when he crossed between Thompson and the 109 being chased - realized what he had done and the 109 got away.

Regards,

Bill

Bill
I am certain I have heard the story of a victorious German airman landing at Nasielsk and visiting the crashsite, but as you know we cannot be certain of anything. The fact is that there are no known German claims for Mustangs. I will ask Mike Fly to have a closer look.
Best wishes
Franek

[drgondog]

Franek - thanks. We know for certain that Peters was shot up accidentally by Thompson, landed nearby and died of wounds while the Wermacht kept Polish farmers from helping him.

We know for certain Vigna was flying Peters wing and we know for certain Thompson was chasing a 109 when Peters cut in front.

We can assume that it was Vigna that Thompson saw crash and explode while they chased the 109 because Peters landed under control and was seen by a Polish farmer to die in the cockpit - but Mustang was intact.

I believ that the Vigna crash was near the airfield at Katne which leads me to suspect the Nasielsk site was where Peters landed, as the MACR only discusses 'last seen' versus seen to land intact.

Regards,

Bill

[Evgeny Velichko]

10.06.43:

VVS attack airfield Sescha, 3rd wave consist of 9 Pe-2 from 6 bap with escort of 2 La-5 of 522 iap made navigational mistake and went out of target incorrect direction, came under attack of large group of Fw190 and all shot down.

10./JG 51 and 12./JG 51 pilots claimed 14 victories, 2 x LaGG-5 and 12 x Pe-2:

12./JG 51 claimed 6 victories, all by Ofw. Hans Pfahler.
Fw. Rudolf Wagner.
10 claimed 5 victories:
3 by Oblt. Horst-Günther von Fassong, 2 by Fw. Rudolf Wagner, 1 by Fw. Kurt Dombacher, 1 by Ltn. Westner, 1 by Uffz. Barsch.

Both LaGG-5 claims confirmed (Lt.Oparin, 522 iap, MiA, and Ml.Lt.Ishimskij, 522 iap, MiA). 9 of 12 Pe-2 confirmed (including squadron commander Major I.Ageyev, 6 bap).