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Old 15th August 2016, 10:54
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Some impressive JG 54 Eastern Front footage on Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOL0-q3KtKg

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Old 16th August 2016, 17:24
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Re: Some impressive JG 54 Eastern Front footage on Youtube

Does anyone know who took this footage in III/JG 54? The one belly landed Messerschmitt appears to be Bf 109 G-2 (10 436) ge. 3+~ flown by Obfw. Siegfried Müller 9/JG 54 at Krasnogrvardeysk on the 09Sep1942 resulting in 30% damage. The Soviet twin engine aircraft flying over the water at the beginning I assume are flying over Lake Ladoga so maybe PS-84 (Li-2) transports. They could have left out the counter numbers as it took away from watching the video.
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Old 16th August 2016, 19:03
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Re: Some impressive JG 54 Eastern Front footage on Youtube

I think that the opening sequences with the Bf 109 F-2 "Black 3" of 8./JG 54 piloted by Erwin Leykauf are taken sometime in the summer of 1941, so those aircraft might have flown over the Baltic sea as well, although it is hard to tell, because the footage is mixed 1941-42 issue.
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Old 16th August 2016, 19:17
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Re: Some impressive JG 54 Eastern Front footage on Youtube

Maybe too slim for Li 2s perhaps DB-3/IL 4 ?
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Old 17th August 2016, 10:44
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Re: Some impressive JG 54 Eastern Front footage on Youtube

Note at 10:19 : a MG FF 20mm drum is pulled off from the Bf 109 : a less common F-1 model, still in use in 1942.
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Old 17th August 2016, 13:01
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Re: Some impressive JG 54 Eastern Front footage on Youtube

As Sidney pointed out, that's Erwin Leykauf at the start, given that his mount is identifiable as a Bf109F-1 or F-2 (C-3 fuel triangle for 96 Octane Fuel), could this be one of the DB-3s he claimed on July 6th, 1941? Or perhaps the single one claimed on July 14th?
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Re: Some impressive JG 54 Eastern Front footage on Youtube

His aircraft sports already 10 victory bars, a score he reached on 17 July and he did not add up any kill until 2 September (AFAIK).
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Re: Some impressive JG 54 Eastern Front footage on Youtube

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His aircraft sports already 10 victory bars, a score he reached on 17 July and he did not add up any kill until 2 September (AFAIK).
Hey that's a good point. Perhaps the Leykauf footage and the gun camera footage might not be as closely related as we might have assumed....

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Re: Some impressive JG 54 Eastern Front footage on Youtube

I'm interested in the segment of this film from 39:11:16 to 40:06:20, which shows what looks to be a Bf 109 G-2 with a Gruppenkommandeur chevron from III./JG 54. I speculate that the film was taken in late summer-fall 1942 because of when the G-2 was introduced and because the crew servicing the aircraft is dressed for mild temperatures. If I am correct in what the film shows, it would suggest that the plane belonged to Hauptmann Reinhard Seiler. However, the plane in the film differs in several aspects from a color drawing one generally sees to represent Seiler's G-2 in September 1942 at Lissino, USSR. The plane in the film is not armed with 20 mm underwing canon. The large chevron on the plane in the film is wider than in the popular picture and the small chevron is open, not closed. The Balkenkreuz in the film is not painted on a broad yellow theater band. In the film, the theater band appears much more narrow and appears to bisect the wavy III Gruppe marking. Could this be an earlier or later version of the Seiler plane in the drawing? Is it a separate aircraft? I'd like to solicit ideas on the identity of the plane in the film. If Seiler flew it, when did he fly it and did he score any victories in it?
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Re: Some impressive JG 54 Eastern Front footage on Youtube

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I'm interested in the segment of this film from 39:11:16 to 40:06:20, which shows what looks to be a Bf 109 G-2 with a Gruppenkommandeur chevron from III./JG 54. I speculate that the film was taken in late summer-fall 1942 because of when the G-2 was introduced and because the crew servicing the aircraft is dressed for mild temperatures. If I am correct in what the film shows, it would suggest that the plane belonged to Hauptmann Reinhard Seiler. However, the plane in the film differs in several aspects from a color drawing one generally sees to represent Seiler's G-2 in September 1942 at Lissino, USSR. The plane in the film is not armed with 20 mm underwing canon. The large chevron on the plane in the film is wider than in the popular picture and the small chevron is open, not closed. The Balkenkreuz in the film is not painted on a broad yellow theater band. In the film, the theater band appears much more narrow and appears to bisect the wavy III Gruppe marking. Could this be an earlier or later version of the Seiler plane in the drawing? Is it a separate aircraft? I'd like to solicit ideas on the identity of the plane in the film. If Seiler flew it, when did he fly it and did he score any victories in it?
Mark,
Some help with Seiler's claims and opponents as you try to pin done which ones were achieved in the aircraft in question:

Reinhard Seiler


SPAIN
1st claim
26.8.37 I-15 ("Curtiss") Gijon Miguel Zambudio Martinez?

2nd claim
4.9.37 I-16 Type 5 "Rata" Asturias Was this one of the two I-16s known to have been lost the following day? (Date in error?) maybe Pavel Ivanovich Ozheredov shot down and wounded in air combat against Bf-109s in September 37?

3rd claim
29.11.37 I-16 Type 5 "Rata" Azuqueca de Henares, NE Madrid Likely overclaiming, only one known loss: CM-110 of Grupo 21, Pablo Salen KIA (versus 3 claims)

4th claim
12.1.38 SB-2 Grupo 12 or Grupo 24 (only units left flying the type)

5th claim
22.1.38 I-16 Type 5 "Rata" Teruel area 4a Esc Grupo 21 definitely in action this date

6th and 7th claims
7.2.38 2 x SB-2s Teruel area Grupo 12 or Grupo 24. 5 losses 2 Russian crews and 3 Spanish crews plus 6 damaged, includes crews of pilots Mitrofan Andreevich Lisov, Ivan Vasilievich Morozov (reached La Cenia airfield), Ivan Surzhin and Ivan Smirnov (also both survived). NOTE crews of the first two SBs brought down were seen to bale out (there were 9 claims in total) 22.2.38

8th and 9th claims
22.2.38 2 x I-16s Grupo 26? Possibly this date or the 21.2.38, 2 Russian pilots shot down and baled out, one of them seriously WIA. Believe one was Platon Yefimovich Smolykov WIA in Feb 38, then repatriated

10th claim
10.1.40/1215 Potez 63-11 S of Colmar/S of Freiburg. Crashed at Blotzheim
No. 184 of GR II/55. Lt. Raymond Felix, Lt. Pierre Boulard and Sgt. Chef Marcel Chancrin all KIA

11th claim
7.4.40/Ca. 1510 (French Timing) MS 406 near Marmoutiers, W of Saverne/Strasburg
No. 379 (one source says 679)/N-797 of GC I/2 (EM). Cne Maurice Marie Stephan Vidal KIA

12th claim
5.8.40/0915 Spitfire I Channel This one said to be P9436 of 54 sqn. Sgt. Walker WIA (hit in petrol tank)

16th, 17th and 18th claims
6.7.41/1018, 1024, 1734 3 x SBs (“Martin Bombers”) Ostrow – Baraki sector
These were claimed against 41 SAD (includes 10 SBAP, 201 SBAP and 202 SBAP), details pending
19th and 20th claims
7.7.41/1031 and 1100 2 x SBs (“Martin Bombers”) Ostrow sector
Losses include at least 3 SB from 201 SBAP on mission to Sotrov. 205 SBAP lost two, 66 UAE lost another 4 SB. All of these were from 41 SAD. 2 SAD and 1 BAK may have had losses too

22nd and 23rd claims
22.7.41/1805 and 1808 2 x MiGs ("I-18s") Krasnoje Selo sector
5 IAP. Overclaiming, only two MiG-3s damaged

25th claim
31.7.41/1950 MiG ("I-18") N of Pulkowka Known to be engaged against 5 IAP. Overclaiming? No losses mentioned

28th and 29th claim (plus 1 unconfirmed)
15.8.41/1445, 1446 and 1900 2 x MiGs ("I-18s") and an I-16 Wochonowo airfield and Witino sector 5 IAP lost Vasily Vasilievich Sherstobitov KIA this date, one of these claims may pertain to him

32nd and 34th claims
9.9.41/0905 and 1715 2 x I-16 “Ratas” Krasnoje-Selo – Krasnogwardeisk
Day's fighter losses in Sector include Lt. Savchenko of 191 IAP baled out and Baruzdin of 13 IAP, 10 SABR. WIA (burnt face) and 429 IAP lost Vasily Petrovich Hovanov badly WIA

33rd claim
9.9.41/0935 LaGG-3 ("I-18") S of Marjino 5 IAP, VVS-KBF. Starshiy Leytenant Mikhail Ivanovich Bagryantsev KIA

36th claim
17.9.41/1230 I-16 "Rata" (Claimed as an I-18?) S of Lewaschewo
13 IAP-KBF. Leytenant Pavel Ivanovich Sidorin KIA and Leytenant Nikolai Alexeyevich Terekhov seriously WIA (Wilhelm Quack was responsible for the other loss)

37th claim
21.9.41/1705 MiG ("I-18") S of Leningrad (many claims by JG 54 this day…) 5 IAP lost Kapt. N M Nikitin baled out and returned the next day

38th claim
23.9.41/1321 I-153 "Tchaika" N of Kolpino 71 IAP-KBF. Along with 5 IAP, there was a total of 6 losses this date. I-15bis losses include ml.lt N F Schetinkin WIA, rescued by Red Army soldiers and sent to hospital. 1545 ST

46th claim
25.10.41/1642 I-153 "Tchaika" N of the Newa Bend
Possibly 13 IAP-KBF. Lt. Zaytsev, damaged.

47th claim
25.10.41/1644 I-16 "Rata" N of the Newa Bend
Day's I-16 losses include Starshii Serzhant Nikolai Yakovlevich Totmin, HSU of 158 IAP KIA (Most likely Stotz or Seiler shot him down)

48th claim
29.10.41/1102 or 1107 Yak-1 (I-26) SW of Gorka 169 IAP. At least one loss: Kapitan Leonid Ignatiyevich Grekov, allegedly baled out but murdered in parachute (also claimed by Hakon von Buelow)

51st claim
7.12.41/1215 I-16 "Rata"? ("I-180") W of Kobona
Likely 13 IAP-KBF Mladshiy Leitenant Mikhail Ivanovich Efimov KIA (location matches perfectly, but unsure of timing) his wingman Pyotr Semenovich Sychev was WIA (in the legs)

55th claim
29.5.42/1030 ("I-180") Was this actually the P-40 of 158 IAP, Viktor Dmitrievich Solomkin KIA near Plekhanovo airfield this date

63rd and 65th claims
15.6.42/2350 and 2400 2 x R-5s One of these was likely Victor Semenovich Bukovsky of 642 LBAP, KIA by fighters this date. Another source says possibly 689 NBAP

66th claim
16.6.42/0020 R-5 One of these was likely Victor Semenovich Bukovsky of 642 LBAP, KIA by fighters this date. 121 OAES lost St.Lt. Aleksiy Tykhonovych Shuvalov in U-2 this date as well

67th claim
20.6.42/1928 Curtiss P-40 Possibly 2 GIAP, Ml.Lt. Pyotr Vladimirovich Babahov MIA (at least 2 other claims)

68th and 69th claims
22.6.42/2305 and 2309 2 x PS-84s Ljuban Pocket 102 and 103 TAPDD, 1 TAD. 3 losses

71st and 72nd claims
25.6.42/2342 and 2350 2 x U-2s ("R-5s") W of Volkhov river 662 NBAP suffered 3 losses and 689 NBAP suffered one

73rd claim
26.6.42/0005 U-2 ("R-5") 662 NBAP suffered 3 losses and 689 NBAP suffered one

74th claim
26.6.42/0017 R-5 W of Volkhov river Was this from 645 LBAP? Pilots Nikolai Semyonovich Gorbushin, Lev Aleksandrovich Uvarov and Pavel Fedotovich Didenko plus gunners Ivan Sergeyevich Bozhevalov and Yakov Koshkin all KIA. 660 LBAP lost Kapitan Gennady Alekseyevich Silaev (AE CO) KIA

77th claim
1.8.42/1834 Pe-2 PQ 90453 @ 3000m Possibly 117 ORAE. Serzhant Valentin Alekseevich Sergeev of the unit KIA in an air battle this date

78th claim
2.8.42/1655 Yak-1 PQ 00164 @ 2000m Was this a misidentified MiG-3 of 12 KOAE? At this time MiG-3s of G V Krajnov and G G Begun were damaged. Shortly after, pilot Medvedev was forced down near Kolpino (Zweigart and Pimmingstorfer also claimed)

79th and 80th claims
11.8.42/1755 and 1758 2 x “MiG-3s” Possibly a misidentified Hurricane from 485 IAP, Vasily Andrianovich Taranenko KIA

87th claim
21.9.42/1115 “Curtiss P-40” Was this a misidentified Yak-1 of 123 IAP? St.Lt. Sergei Timofeevich Kharitonov KIA this date and 92 IAP (LaGG-3s) lost Serzhant Konstantin Mikhailovich Shirshov

90th claim
31.10.42/0726 IL-2 Sturmovik Possibly 569 ShAP, Vasily Ilyich Borisov KIA (several claims for IL-2s during the day, I am not sure what time Borisov was lost…)

92nd claim
17.4.43/1304 B-17F-10-BO Flying Fortress Bremen @ 8700m 41-24459/LL-B "Hellzapoppin" of 401st BS, 91st BG. 1/Lt. John W Wilson and four others KIA, remaining five crewmen all KIA (appears to have been claimed by several pilots)

93rd claim
27.5.43/1958 LaGG-3 Yak-7s of 744 IAP (86th GIAP) and LaGG-3s of 156 IAP in action over Volkhov sector this date. 86 GIAP lost one more pilot KIA, timing not yet known to me

96th and 97th claims
21.6.43/1527 and 1545 2 x LaGG-3s Was one of these claimed against Starshii Leitenant Ilya Minovich Shishkan HSU, OL, ORB and ORS of 158 IAP, KIA?

99th claim
22.6.43/0218 IL-2 Sturmovik Conflicting sources as to the IL-2s lost to JG 54 this date:
One source suggests these were from 9 ShAD? Were they actually from 943 ShAP, 277 ShAD? They lost Kapitan Sergey Pavlovich Simanov and Ilya Mironovich Kishinevskii both MIA-KIA plus Georgy Gavrilovich Martynov and Vasiliy Andreevich Chirov both POW, survived the war. One source says 939 ShAP, 4 losses

103rd claim
5.7.43/1829 IL-2 Sturmovik 2 GShAD (2 losses) and 299 ShAD (14 losses, of which 217 ShAP alone lost 6 IL-2s in a single mission and 3 in another (one bellylanded and the other 2 returning with gunners WIA, one of which DOW)
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