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Old 3rd November 2015, 16:00
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Hi Michael

It features 37 confirmed claims and one unconfirmed claim in total. I hope this helps.

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Old 3rd November 2015, 17:22
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Re: Me 410 top ace

Hello Leo,

mmh, is it possible to attribute 28 of these kills to the Me 110 ?

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Old 3rd November 2015, 22:40
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Hi Michael

I would say that at least 26 of these were recorded with the Bf 110. Two were claimed with EKdo 25 and I have no idea what he was flying when he recorded these. Hopefully, someone else can clarify this point.

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Dear Leo,

thanks for your post.
Do you mean the following two kills ?:
a) 21/05/43 B-17 with Ekdo 25 => that Kommando was a Fw190 unit in May43
b) 13/06/43 B-17 with Ekdo I./JG1 => Tratt is said to have briefly commanded a JG1 Test Unit, experimenting with mortar-carrying Fw 190's. I think that was when he scored this kill.

Can you tell me the date of his unconfirmed kill ?

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Hi Michael

Yes, those are the two victories claimed with EKdo 25 that I was referring to. The unconfirmed victory that I am aware of is:

1 June 1940 6:45 Spitfire 1./ZG 1 Dunkirk

I hope this helps.

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Good evening Leo,

hmm...would you be so kind to cross-check your Tratt list with the Luftwaffe.cz list which implies he scored kills #29-38 [=10] in his Me 410 tour ?:
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/tratt.html

I'm looking forward to your answer because for the designation of the Me 410 top ace rank it might be really important if Tratt has 9 or 10 Me 410 kills.

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Old 4th November 2015, 22:00
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Hi Michael

Please be aware that since the time that thumbnail biography was posted (26 February 2005) much new information has come to light. Kacha doubtless wrote it with the best information at the time but since then as I have mentioned I was fortunate enough to come across this complete victory list and thus the gaps in the claims list have been closed. In particular, the excellent Die Jagdfliegerverbände der Deutschen Luftwaffe 1934 bis 1945 series by Prien, Rodeike, Bock and Stemmer has been immeasurably useful for complete claim and loss lists concerning the various aces but this effort is still in progress. I hope this helps.

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Re: Me 410 top ace

Good evening Leo,

what I tried to express and ask for is, could you have a look if the 9 Me 410 kills in your list include all the 7 Me 410 kills of the Kacha list ? If not so, there might be 10 Me 410 kills instead of 9.

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Hi Michael

Yes, the list that I have includes those victories. The two other claims were recorded on 29 November 1943 and 1 December 1943. I hope this helps.

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Re: Me 410 top ace

Good morning Leo,

this helps a lot. Thanks you very much.

It looks like Mister Trenke has the edge in terms of Me 410 kills.
BTW does a photo of Johann Trenke exist ???

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