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Old 9th December 2015, 11:26
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

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Il-2 (# 5306) 639 ShAP Mayor Krasotkin (MIA - Couldn't find out anything more about him)
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Krasotkin Vasiliy Ivanovich - emergency landing at the airport of Mukovnino, due to the lack of fuel (together with Kalyunin and Denezhkin). Survived the war - 4 military orders.
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Old 9th December 2015, 18:48
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Kirill, Thank you for the up date as that information was not listed. That now puts it as a slight over claim by IV/JG 54. I didn't get to see which area the two Il-2 groups were in to see who ran into who here.
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Old 11th December 2015, 22:43
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

13 Oct 1943 10:53 (M)
9 Pe-2 from the 128 GBAP led by Mayor Makrov from a height of 3000 m. bombed German positions at the village of Kurtasy (target # 8). According to the crews the bombs fell on the western and southern outskirts of the village.. Over the target they took fire from AAA and were attacked by 4 Fw 190. Losses 4 Pe-2.
Pe-2 128 GBAP Gds. Ml. Lt. Aleksey Pavlovich Simenskoy (Struck by AAA and left the group)
Pe-2 128 GBAP Kukushkin (Only have the last name)
Pe-2 128 GBAP Baranov (Only have the last name and that he escaped being a POW in 1944)
Pe-2 128 GBAP (flight commander) Gds. St. Lt. Ivan Isaevich Prokorenko (MIA. Soviet records states he crashed in the target area after being hit by AAA)

1./JG 51
Oblt. Joachim Brendel Pe-2 (84) 08:55 35 Ost/15512/ Dajewo
Uffz. Wolfgang Ohl Pe-2 (3) 08:58 NW of Duchatino

Okay, I couldn't find Dajewo and Duchatino on the map but Brendel's PlQu. is in the area of Kurtasy so his claim can be linked. Maybe some one can link Ohl if the location is in the same area. Some times AAA being the reason given does not always mean that is what happen.

There was another raid made by 9 Pe-2 from the 35 GBAP led by Mayor Pankov bombing a grove 1 km west of Astashkovichi (target # 10) which took fire from AAA.
Pe-2 (# 10/208) 35 GBAP Ml. Lt. Yuriy Valentinovich Dobrolyubov & crew (MIA after being hit by AAA)
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Old 12th December 2015, 14:05
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Gds. Lt. Kukushkin Pavel Sergeevich - MIA 10.10.44; POW 13.10.44-22.04.45; ord. 'RB' and 'PW2' (1985)
October 13, his plane was attacked fighter. Pilot injured in the head, but he was able to reach the target and drop bombs. then flew on one engine to its territory. a forced landing.
Dajevo = Bajevo (Баево)
Duchatino (Духатино) - on west Krasniy 6km (Platonovo)

Baranov = Gds. Lt Barinov Alexey Kuzmich - ord 'RS', 'RB', 'PW1'(1985)
Major Makrov = Gds. Major Makarov Alexey Ivanovich - ord 'RB', 'PW2', mdl 'ZBS', 'ZOS', 'ZOK', ord 'RB, 'PW1'

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Old 13th December 2015, 00:30
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Thanks Kirche. It looks like Ohl was no where near the target at Kurtasy with that location unless he chased them after they crossed the front line or he ran into another bomber group. Would they have been based in that direction?
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Old 14th December 2015, 17:21
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Hi Michael,
Possible 128 GBAP was based in Volkovo-Egorie (near Yelnya) - as well as later in December 1943? It is 130 km on ENE (from Kurtasy).
Bajevo 10 km North-East of Kurtasy and Dukatino 27 km to the North-East.
Possible the regiment was able to retreat to the northeast (30-40 degrees on Krasniy), and further to the East (90 degrees on the Yelnya).
I don't know those fights, far away from us. I know this division in the summer of 1942.
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

I found this one concerning the 27 Feb 1942 Soviet North West Front which is the Staraya Russa - Demyansk - Kholm section of the eastern front. U-2 from 253 IAP PVO was attacked by a "Me-115" in which the passenger (Senior Clerk) Ml. S-t. Vasiliy Vasil'evich Pestov was killed and buried at Staryy Dvor, Leningrad Obl.

This was not listed to III./JG 3 and JG 54. I looked at the only other unit there in JFV 9/I and it only has 1./JG 51 no name, one aircraft (no type) 15:10. This was obviously a liason transport plane and not one of the "R-5" that III./JG 3 was claiming on the 26 Feb 1942.
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Again from Mikhail Timin's article.
30 Jun 1941 12:45 - 14:00 (M) 15 Il-2 from the 4 ShAP raid German aitfield at Bobruysk.
4 ShAP (MIA):
Il-2 #1860802 St. Lt. S. S. Sleptsov (1 AE)
Il-2 #1864503 St. Lt. F. I. Sigida (3 AE)
Il-2 #1861201 St. Lt. V. I. Podlobniy (3 AE)
Il-2 #1864304 St. Lt. N. M. Golubev (4 AE)
Il-2 #1861604 St. Lt. V. I. Shul'gin (4 AE)
Il-2 #1861202 Ml. Lt. A. T. Lopshov (4 AE)

JG 51 victories:
Hptm Richard Leppla Stab III/JG 51 V-11 918) 11:50
Lt. Herbert Huppertz 12/JG 51 R-10 (12) 13:12
Fw. Heinz Klöpper. 11/JG 51 R-10 (5) 13:15
Uffz. Franz Beerenbrock. 12/JG 51. R-10 (3) 13:15
Oblt. Karlfried Nordmann. 12/JG 51. R-10 (19) 13:30
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Cheers Michael, keep 'em coming...
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

17 July 1943
At 05:12 (MT) for reconnaissance took off Pe-2 (# 11/160) 99 GORAP flown by S-t. Aleksandr Popov and at 06:00 (MT) sent a radio message which was the last contact before being shot down 2 km east of Novy Sinets.
1./JG 51 Obfw. Wilhelm Theimann Pe-2 (43) 05:30. 35 Ost/64581

Target: Naryshkino station
1st wave: 9 Pe-2 205 BAP and escorting 6 Yak-9 20 IAP
Losses:
Yak-9 20 IAP Ml. Lt. Vladimir Litvinov (POW)
Yak-9 20 IAP (I have not located this pilot’s name yet, so he possibly survived and returned on foot)
Pe-2 (#1/146) 205 BAP Ml. Lt. Arkadiy Krotov (MIA)
Pe-2 (# 19/122) 205 BAP Lt. Nikolay Bogdanov (MIA)
Pe-2 (# 17/122) 205 BAP Lt. Gavril Kar’ev (MIA)
Pe-2 (# 5/123) 205 BAP Ml. Lt. Vasiliy Gorbunov (MIA)
Pe-2 (# 13/118) 205 BAP (Rank unk at this time but last name Eleshov. This bomber was seriously damaged and forced landed on the fuselage 15 km south of Belov with the entire crew WIA)
German claims:
10./JG 51 Fw. Rudolf Wagner Yak-1 (29) 05:00 South of Anachina
Yak-1 (30). 05:02 West of Massalskaja
2./JG 52 Lt. Berhold Korts Pe-2 (68) 05:10 35 Ost/54751
11./JG 51 Uffz. Helmut Holtz Pe-2 (15) 05:10 35 Ost/54842
Pe-2 (16) 05:18 35 Ost/54671
11./JG 51 Uffz. Johann Markl Pe-2 (5) 05:13 35 Ost/54812
Pe-2 (6) 05:22. 35 Ost/54532

2nd Wave: 9 Pe-2 35 GBAP and escort 8 Yak-9 20 IAP
Losses:
Pe-2 (# 10/111) 35 GBAP Gds. Ml. Lt. Aleksandr Panfilov
In the area of Gnezdilov
Pe-2 (# 6 /144) 35 GBAP Gds. Kapt. MikZdanovskiy (MIA)
In the area of Staiki
Pe-2 (# 5/126) 35 GBAP Gds. Ml. Lt. Nikolay Voronov (MIA)
In the area of Staiki
7./JG 51 Uffz. Heinrich Dittlmann Pe-2 (19) 05:06 35 Ost/53217
Pe-2 (20) 05:09 35 Ost/53132
7./JG 51 Oblt. Karl-Heinz Weber Pe-2 (67) 05:08 35 Ost/53215

Soviet victory claims:
St. Lt. Yakov Udovitskiy 20 IAP Fw-190 (3) North of Naryshkino
(Cannot confirm if this is the Fw 190 of 30% damage in III./JG 51)
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