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Old 29th August 2014, 07:37
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

This one will probably seem strange with the different types of Soviet fighters claimed but these are the only ones matching the time and location. There is another group following this entry.
14 Jul 1943 In the region of Dudorovsky (Ul'yanovsk) covering Soviet forces. A group of 7 Yak-7B under the leadership of Gds. St. Lt. Urusev of the 89 GIAP is attacked in this region and has all 7 fighters shot down. Among the losses are Yak-7B (# 3415345) Gds Ml. Lt. Ivan Semenovich Gaydamakin (KIA). This will have two JG 54 pilots listed among the victors. The Russian time is 17:30-1855 (M). The Soviet fighters appear to have been scattered in the dogfight.

1./JG 54 Lt. Gerhard Loos MiG-3 (25) 16:37 PlQu. 35 Ost/54442
15 (Span.)/JG 51 Maj. Marano Cuadra Medina Lagg-3 (1) 17:30 54339
15/JG 51 Oblt. Manuel Sanchez-Tabernero de Prada LaGG-3 (1) 17:35 E of Shisdra.
9./JG 51 Oblt. Maximilian Mayerl La-5 (57) 17:25 54277 (5 km N of Uljanowo)
" La-5 (58) 17:35 54418 (6 km SE of Uljanowo)
" LaGG-3 (59) 18:05 54462 (25 km ESE Uljanowo)
9./JG 51 Uffz. Rudi Meyer La-5 (20) 17:56 54251
3./JG 54 Obfw. Karl Fuchs (51) 18:11 54427
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Old 31st August 2014, 04:48
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14 Jul 1943 18:46 - 19:50 (M) covering Soviet forces in the regions of Krapivna - Yagodnaya are 8 Yak-7B from the 89 GIAP (7 GIAD of the 2 IAK) led by Mayor Petr Aleksandrovich Dranko. Dranko would claim his 5th victory a Ju 87 at Dudorvskiy and his 6th a He 111 to the SE of Yagodnaya. His group didn't do so well. They lost six of the eight Yak-7B.
Gds. St. Lt Konstantin Fedororovich Prikhodchenko (MIA) deputy AE co.
Gds. Ml. Lt. Nikolay Egorovich Kotlyarov (MIA)
Gds. Ml. Lt. Anatoliy Polikarpovich Shmatkov (MIA)
Gds. Ml. Lt. Ivan Ivanovich Fadeev (MIA)

7./JG 51 Oblt. Karl-Heinz Weber Yak-7 (65) 18:28 64642

10./JG 51 Uffz. Karlheinz Weber La-5 (20) 18:40 PlQu. 35 Ost/64831
" " LaGG-3 (23) 18:53 64623

Stab II/JG 54 Hptm. Heinrich Jung Yak-1 (56) 18:44 54275

Stabsstaffel/JG 51 Hptm Diethelm von Eichel-Streiber MiG-3 (24) 18:30 64859 (3km WSW Bolchow)

Stabsstaffel/JG 51 Uffz. Walter Lehn MiG-3 (3) 18:30 64856
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Old 31st August 2014, 14:59
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

So Michael...
...You're telling us that 89 GIAP suffered serious losses twice in one day?
Was this a unique occurrence?

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Old 1st September 2014, 06:47
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

The 89 GIAP had only 4 Yak-7B left at the end of the 16th which they transferred to the 1 GIAP before they went to be reorganized on the 17th. The 7 GIAD was reduced to the size of a regiment by that time.
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JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Hi guys

13 April 1943

Six Yak-1 fighters of GC 3 Normandie fly a fighter sweep in the Spas-Demensk area. These are attacked by four Fw 190 fighters and three pilots are lost (Lieutenant Raymond Derville, Lieutenant André Poznanski and Aspirant Marcel Bizien).

Feldwebel Rudolf Wagner 10./JG 51 Yak-1 (7) 14:13 45 574 at 1,000 m
Oberfeldwebel Hans Pfahler 12./JG 51 Yak-1 (2) 14:15 45 543 at 2,000 m
Oberfeldwebel Hans Pfahler 12./JG 51 Yak-1 (3) 14:20 45 572 at 1,800 m
Unteroffizier Martin Schamberger 11./JG 51 Yak-1 (10) 14:25 45 522 at 3,000 m
Unteroffizier Martin Schamberger 11./JG 51 Yak-1 (11) 14:30 45 542 at 2,000 m

The French pilots claim three victories but IV./JG 51 has only one aircraft listed as suffering engine trouble and performing an emergency landing with 25% damage that day.

Horrido!

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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

05 Aug 1942 near Pogoreloe Gorodishche . Alekseev was attempting to intercept Ju 88 bombers on being shot down.

Yak-7B 66 IAP Ml. Lt. Sergey Pavlovich Alekseev (KIA)

9./JG 51 Ofw Georg Seidel LaGG-3 (35) 11:50 57712 at 2500 m.

Leo, very interesting on GC 3 Normandie. Do you have any information on the death of d' Aspirant Andre Largeau on the 14 Sep 1943 from GC 3 Normandie? If so send me a PM or put it here.
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Hi,

all i known is shot down in aerial combat on 14.09.43 escort mission to Pe2 area Borovskoye. Possibly against Fw190 because in the same action Risso is credited with the destruction of one of them

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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Some more infos on 13.04.43:
Equipped with the excellent Yak-1 fighter french volunteers of GC Normandie (Major J. Tulasne) suffered their first combat losses – 3 pilots were KIA (Asp. Marcel Bizien, Lt. Raymond Derville & Lt. André Poznanski) in a combat between 6 Yak-1Ms and 8 Fw.190s ( from IV./JG.51) over Spass-Demiensk 15km behind german lines- whilst flying from Polotriani-Zavod, sw. Moscow. In return pilots of GC Normandie claimed 3 Fw.190s (including 1 shared by Poznanski, Derville & Bizien) destroyed although JG.51 recorded no personnel losses, but probably overclaimed with 5 Yak-1s s/d (maybe another Yak-Regiment was involved).
13.04.43 Fw. Rudolf Wagner 10./JG 51 Jak-1 45 574: at 1.000 m. 14.13 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 225
13.04.43 Ofw. Hans Pfahler 12./JG 51 Jak-1 45 543: at 2.000 m. 14.15 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 472
13.04.43 Ofw. Hans Pfahler 12./JG 51 Jak-1 45 572: at 1.800 m. 14.20 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 473
13.04.43 Uffz. Martin Schamberger 11./JG 51 Jak-1 45 522: at 3.000 m. 14.25 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 395
13.04.43 Uffz. Martin Schamberger 11./JG 51 Jak-1 45 542: at 2.000 m. 14.30 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 396
All German claimants were aces and wouldn´t survive 1943: Pfahler: 30 victories MIA 10.07.43, Schamberger: 14 victories, MIA 19.06.43 and Wagner (RK): 81, MIA 11.12.43.

13/04/43 Détruit Fw 190 Yak 1M Spsas / Danemark 6 (Slt) Durand Albert
13/04/43 Détruit Fw 190 Yak 1M Spsas / Danemark 3 (Slt) Mahé Yves
13/04/43 Détruit Fw 190 Yak 1M Spsas/ Danemark shared (Lt) Derville Raymond, (Lt) Poznanski André and (Asp) Bizien Marcel

After this blow to morale GC Normandie was attached to 18 GIAP (Mayor Golubov), seeing more combat and morale improved despite the fact that in May low-level ground attacks had to be flown and another pilot was lost. Replacements arrived in time when the regiment was down to 10 pilots. It seems that GC Normandie was attached to 303 IAD (Gen. Zakharov) in June 1943 in preparation of the Battle for Orel.
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Old 14th September 2014, 20:23
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11 Sep 1942 Reconn. in Rzhev region
Pe-2 11 ORAP
air gunner St. Serzhant Aleksandr Mikhaylovich Dmitrievich (KIA) on being shot down.
11/JG 51 Uffz Wolfram Doegen Pe-2 (5) 17:20 PlQu. 35 Ost/47651 at 3000 m.

18 Aug 1942 Reconn. Beliy - Guseva - Afanasovo
Pe-2 11 ORAP Serzhant Ivan Timofeevich Moshkin (MIA) and crew (MIA)
7./JG 51 Uffz. Guenther Schack Pe-2 (10) 15:15 47593/Rzhev at 1500 m.
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Old 15th September 2014, 02:52
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Re: JG 51 victories (Part 2)

Hi Michael,
for Schack's victory on 18th August 1942, I had:

527 BAP, 211 BAD, 3 VA. Ml.Lt. Nikolai Maksimovich Belyaev and crew all KIA (already damaged by Flak)

Source: www.allaces.ru

can we clarify, which info is correct here?

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