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Old 13th July 2020, 00:13
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B-17G 337535 JW-F 23/11/44

Hi guys

The above apparently made a reasonable landing on an airfield in Belgium - without a crew! All unopened parachutes were found in the aircraft but all members of the crew were later found unharmed!

True or false?

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Old 13th July 2020, 00:18
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Re: B-17G 337535 JW-F 23/11/44

False: (A couple of similar incidents seem to be combined here.)

43-37535
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/11540


43-38545
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/12550

http://www.91stbombgroup.com/91st_ta...ghost_ship.pdf
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Old 13th July 2020, 01:25
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Re: B-17G 337535 JW-F 23/11/44

Martin Caidin was not a reliable source...
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Old 13th July 2020, 12:47
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Re: B-17G 337535 JW-F 23/11/44

Hi guys

Caiden wasn't my source! It was a short YoyTube documentary that I viewed.
The film clearly showed 337535 force-landing on a (purported) Belgian airfield with US personnel in the frame!

The absent pilot's name was mentioned and sounded like 'Eboe'

Over to the experts, please.

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Old 13th July 2020, 13:21
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Re: B-17G 337535 JW-F 23/11/44

Brian

Rolland is quite correct here. He usually is....
It is also what the USAAF records says

Any chance for us to see the You Tube film sequence?

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Old 13th July 2020, 14:15
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Re: B-17G 337535 JW-F 23/11/44

Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruSr_OQdGMw


It looks like they do have a clip of 43-37535 making a crash landing but have combined it with the story of 43-38545 and other various clips.

There are other B-17s on the field and it appears the men approaching the plane are US ground people not some British gunners. They seem to be swarming over the plane as soon as it come to rest, nobody would be waiting around for 15 minutes with the engine(s) running.

Same landing clip appears here but it shows more of the aftermath. It looks possibly at one point as if someone is interviewing one of the crewmen and taking notes. It is not clear when this actually happened. The plane was assigned to the 92nd on 4 (or 5) June 1944 and was lost on 22 Sept 1944. (Some further research needed....)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2LU4U-Wo-Y


or here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH0cFosl7Wc

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Old 13th July 2020, 17:48
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Re: B-17G 337535 JW-F 23/11/44

I agree Rolland

This is first of all no unmanned landing, which can be clearly seen upon touch down, when a pilot (not auto pilot) tries his best to keep the aircraft straight on its single wheel.
Quite a credible landing, if you ask me, and no doubt the aircraft was repaired after this incident.

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Old 13th July 2020, 18:04
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Re: B-17G 337535 JW-F 23/11/44

The film was shot by Doc Furniss at Podington, see the 25:50 mark of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMLC1_qqgU8

His whole video is quite interesting.

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Old 13th July 2020, 18:52
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Re: B-17G 337535 JW-F 23/11/44

Thanks for this video link Roland.

At 1:22:30ish is a Mistel Fw190A and Ju88 or 188.

Around 1:25 is a trainload of what appears to be Jumo213 power eggs.

And around 1:28 are views of bellied 109s. I think the first one is a G and appears to be White 3. The second one looks like a K and is White 8.

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Old 13th July 2020, 20:12
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Re: B-17G 337535 JW-F 23/11/44

I found a few "speculations" on the web that one wheel landing incident may have been with the Gravelle crew on September 13, 1944. That crew aborted on the mission.

There is even this here:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?p=191807

Nothing that I have found is definitive.
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