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361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?
Hello,
On the 26th December 1944, I./JG 26 tangled with 361 FG, losing 5 Dora's. Two P-51's were claimed by Obfw. SCHWARZ (Givet area) and Uffz. DELOR (Dinant area) but were unconfirmed and rejected. (source Caldwell) On the same date, a P-51 (or F-6?) felt near Hargnies (F), 12 km South of Givet. Pilot killed and recovered by US troops later. (Source Pierre & Françoise ROGER, following Gendarmerie report dated 26/12/44). Does the 361 FG lost an a/c in this battle? Is someone able to identify this pilot, perhaps (not sure!) victim of Erich SCHWARZ's guns ? Any suggestion is welcome. ClinA-78 |
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?
Per Paul Cora's book on the 361st FG, claims were made for 6 FW190s, with no US losses.
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?
Hello,
Steve Gotts book "Little Friends" confirms - 26 December 44 Mission 278 0910 - 1125 hrs 14 a/c dispatched Sweep, Bonn-Giessen-Darmstadt-Speyer No claims - No losses. Mission 279 0840 - 1135 hrs ( I think the 0840 is a typo and should be 0940 ) 10 a/c dispatched Sweep, Speyer-Frankfurt-Limburg-Bonn No claims - No losses. Mission 280 0950 - 1210 hrs 14 a/c dispatched Sweep, Speyer-Frankfurt- Giessen- Bonn 6 claimed - No losses. Mission 281 1226 - 1525 hrs 14 a/c dispatched Close escort B26s Metz-Pirmasens No claims - No losses. Mission 282 1226 - 1530 hrs 14 a/c dispatched Close escort B26s Bad Kreuznach No claims - No losses. Mission 283 1430 - 1645 hrs 11 a/c dispatched Fighter Sweep, Trier area No claims - No losses. Alex |
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?
Hello,
8th AAF losses for the 26th December 44. P51's 352FG/487FS 44-13953 - MACR 11086 - 1Lt. Carl G. Tafel Jr - KIA. 356Fg/359FS 44-15029 - MACR 11078 - 1Lt. Warren C. Cooley - POW. 356Fg/359FS 44-15609 - MACR 11075 - Captain Claude J. Hackney Jr - KIA Originally X-7525 later identified. 9th AAF P51's 43-7201 landing accident . Alex Refs: "Losses of the 8th & 9th Air Forces"; "Fighter Losses of the Mighty Eighth" ; armyairforces.com. |
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?
Hello,
Claims that were made/approved were as follows. 361st FG 376th FS 1Lt. Claire P. Chennault - 1. 1Lt. Bernard L. Dennehy - 1. 1Lt. David P. Overholt - 1. 1Lt. Homer G. Powell - 1. 1Lt. George R. Vanden Heuvel - 1. Captain. Jay W. Ruch - 0.5. 1Lt. George R. Vanden Heuvel - 0.5. Total = 6 Alex Edited: Rich to Ruch Last edited by Alex Smart; 18th March 2017 at 17:20. |
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?
Hello,
Shared 376th FS claim for Fw 190 on 26 December, 1944, was 0-678945 Capt Jay W Ruch (not Rich), flying P-51D 44-15372:E9-J. Col. |
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?
Thanks Gent's.
Perhaps the record of the Gendarmerie report is shift by a day? Up today, anyone is able to ID this P-51/F-6, lacking dataplate or .50 guns. Best regards ClinA-78 |
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?
Hello,
A little off the subject question. But who were the Luftwaffe victims of these encounters and did they survive the combat ? Also could the a/c be Preddy's 25th ? Alex |
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?
Alex
Preddy was KIA by USA flak on Christmas day, early. |
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?
Yes, but if the search date is in question then just maybe ?
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