1 Sqn on 16 August 1940

[Fairlop]

Franek,

Every time, when it is needed I want / need to work with ORB etc.
Your question was who could fought with Wick. I replied.
I am not solving who was a victim of Wick but who s/d Tim Elkington. Wick is much more likely out for me because of (comprehensive) info mentinoned already. With a help of ORB too.
I welcome if the disscussion continue not like in court. Squadron entries, times, memories etc. are contribution.

Michal

[Franek Grabowski]

Michal
For both unit mentioned there is only a single loss of 213 Sqn Hurricane listed by BoB T&N as lost off Portland at 1300. How about that? I simply do not find evidence that support your thesis. That is all.

[Fairlop]

Franek,

According to the CRs both Squadrons were in fight in already noted times / locations.

Michal

[Franek Grabowski]

Michal
Again it proves that all available documents should be reviewed. One important point - data given in header of document sometimes have little relevance to the narrative.

[timothy]

I have to mess things up by repeating what I have said before - don't rely on my idea of time. Very soon after my 1.40 quote got into print - not from my log book, but from a dizzy mind - I realised that I meant to say 12.40. I had the 40 & the 1 in mind & I put them the wrong way around - if you can understand that. And I know that even that could not have been an accurate time!!

1305, at least, is for sure - because it was logged by Services on the ground.

I thought that the times of No1 airborne from Northolt at 1230 tied in with Selsey at around 1250 & my demise at 1305? But I shall stay out of it in future - FAR too complicated for me. Just would prefer it NOT to have been our own guns!!

= Tim

[Fairlop]

Tim,

Thank you for that comment !
If it was flak or not I believe your wife was not with the AA battery.

Michal

[timothy]

Speaking of times, what were the sqn doing until 1415??



= Tim

[Andy Saunders]

Having looked at my notes I see that we found portions of the rudder post pierced by at least two bullet strikes from above and behind. Oh, and we later confirmed it was Mr Elkington's Hurricane by discovering the brass data plate with the a/c serial number. The aeroplane had burnt severely on impact.

For what its worth.....!

[timothy]

HOORAY for Andy. Worth a mint!!

About ORBs in general, if anyone goes near our entries for August 12 - 15th, I would dearly love to know if my flight times are there. My log book got out of kilter & I desperately need to put history right. All expenses paid. Plus!!

= Tim

PS Thanks, Andy!!

[timothy]

PS for Steve Sheridan.

All I know is that I flew from Northolt to Tangmere (20 min) with F/Sgt Berry & returned later!
And that P/O Davey was killed, crash landing on the IOW. P/O Shaw was hit. Tried to bale out but canopy was stuck. Got home instead!

Looking back at the Combat Report & 10 a/c landing back at 1415 - Mann's log above shows that he landed at Hullavington. One begins to despair as to the validity of records??

= Tim

PS Oh, & Chris - 'just about landed at Chidham' - & I just about landed on West Wittering!!