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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
Thanks Eric,
I'm talking about one Bf 109 ... I'm always and only talking about Bf 109. In that case, one Bf 109 G-14 we have seen recently in Marc's page. But what about Staffel code number colours?.. It's a good trail to explore I think, however. Thanks again, Franck. |
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Great information and guesswork, Eric, mille mercis! Many thanks!
This first digit designing the Staffel of JG 104 is enlightening! So we do head for Fürth and thus unit... The surrounding seen in one of the two pics of "Schwarze 473" does fit quite well. A sandy soil, a small elevation in which those blast pens were dug out...all this fits well with the topography seen in the well known color shot of the Fürth dump, Summer 1945. Franck, thanks for your confirming..and expert advice! And now, which G-14 you mean on my Flickr pages ? Very very interesting... Thanks again to both! Marc |
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Hi Marc,
Not a JG 104 machine but a JG 102 one!!! "Rote 863" WNr.464863 http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream In that case, note that code number is smaller than for JG 104 machine and beneath the canopy. ... |
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@Anders,
This is what I'm asking for ... The only machine with white number I know from JG 104 is libelled I./JG 104, displays two digit number but we can suppose it's cut and it is certainly ... but the code starts with a "2". All the rest, when visible are Black numbers ... Except that Blue 677 (if it's really blue) .. but without Staffel neither group indication. @Marc, exactly ... 1/ Are we sure? (Yes when indicated on photo backside) 2/ not enough to be sure but note that Eric is talking about Flight Books ; with an "s"! Maybe in a next future publication... Cheers, Franck. |
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Blaue 677 http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream or http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=742 Comments in David site are interesting. Note that we have a 1./JG 104 machine with a II. Gruppe bar marking!!!!! Should be an exception! |
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Sorry, but going through your JG104 set the theory about staffel numerals doesn't seem to hold at all unless I have misunderstood something? There's black numbers beginning with 1, yellow beginning with 2 and so on.
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
The real question, Anders is too verify that all labelled JG 104 pics are really from JG 104. The famous in-flight sequences with "Gelbe 279" and "Gelbe 280" for example are variously identified as JG 102 at Zerbst and JG 104 at Wiesbaden-Erbenheim.
Maybe we should tackle this issue? Who knows more about JG 104? I'm pretty basic... Cheers Marc |
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Just to double the questions:
I have another "Schwarze 473" at hand in Fürth: http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/6211479750 Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. unknown "Schwarze 473", Fürth, Summer 1945. Noro 2009, picture 149, p. 112. Wow, no easy matter... Marc |
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
Without talking about this one
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream Code number style AND dimension is closer to blue 677, and with a 2nd Gruppe bar .. In fact I tend to think that Blaue 677 is not from JG 104, since long. But we are not going to resolve that right now, are we?? ... |
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