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Old 7th August 2017, 12:05
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Mustang I

Hello,
I have seen an photo from an crashed Mustang I.(Photo is not my property!)
The plane lost the Propeller when crased, but the rest is on good condiction. Only an X with the RAF Cocarde is cleary seen, the most interest fact is that Major Oesau JG 2, in flying cloth inspect the plane. The cockpit is closed and the are no battle damage seen. Any chance to give an date of loss? and the fate of its Pilot?
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Old 7th August 2017, 12:23
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Re: Mustang I

I thought we might get a date if Oesau downed the plane, but he has no listed kill for a P-51.
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Old 7th August 2017, 12:48
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Re: Mustang I

I think the "X" is the only marking on the plane! What Sqn. used this kind of identification? The Mustang lying in an cornfield, the corn is green, so I think it must be about May or June. On the right wing standing two Luftwaffen soldiers, they looks like from an Flak Unit.Oesau an the other Pilot carry the heay lightgrey colour leader jackets with dark fure. Oh, on the backside of the photo is handwritten "Spitfire" and "Major Oesau"! But it is an Mustang I.
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Old 7th August 2017, 14:07
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Re: Mustang I

Is it this Mustang I?

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Old 7th August 2017, 14:21
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Re: Mustang I

Yes this is the Mustang! I'm sure there are more photo's taken.
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Old 7th August 2017, 15:15
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Re: Mustang I

See the carb intake above the engine, Allison powered.
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Old 7th August 2017, 20:28
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Re: Mustang I

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Yes this is the Mustang! I'm sure there are more photo's taken.
h.
Hans,

this looks like a still image of a footage. Probably a footage for the Wochenschau. This may explain the presence of Major Oesau.

The grain in the field looks like a June/July growth.

If the landscape is in Germany, Niederrhein and Münsterland are my favorites.

What's about the church in the background ?. There is a road in the background, too, which is led by regular set poles.

But my most favorated fact is the possibility of a Wochenschau Footage.

best wishes !

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Old 8th August 2017, 01:43
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Re: Mustang I

Good evening,

I've seen this photo elsewhere, captioned with Mustang I, AG661 of 400.Sqdn (F/L Wilfred Herman Gordon) on 6th July 1943 near Glos-la-Ferrière. At least the spire in the background matches with Saint-Agnan...

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Old 9th August 2017, 02:13
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Re: Mustang I

Good evening all:
AG 661 was lost on 2 June 1943 when W H Gordon evaded capture. the aircraft history card lists this as Cat E. Prior to this the aircraft had 2 accidents on 15 July 1942 and 16 October 1942 both with He Hanton (RCAF). the aircraft apparently was with 400Sq for it's entire combat deployment. I trust that this adds just a bit more to the 'rest of the story. Ted51
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Old 8th August 2017, 02:22
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Re: Mustang I

Hello,

We Have the following:

The Mustang had proved itself to be ideally suited to low-level reconnaissance and ground strafing sorties., but its pilots were still very concerned with being recognised when approaching enemy target (German airfield and ground defence flak having been recognised as the toughest opposition that the Allied aircraft had met). Therefore, in May 1943* the two Sky painted code letters which identified the squadron(s) to which the aircraft belonged were painted out leaving just a single letter, which was the aircraft call-letter for instance R for Roger.

See:
Camouflage & Markings R.A.F. Fighter Command 1936-1945 - North American Mustang Fighters.
Goulding,James & Robert Jones.
London: Ducimus Books,1970-1971.
pp.34 & 36.

* The code letters were re-intsated during March 1944.

So, if Oesau is in the photograph, the date must be between April 1943 and May 1944.

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