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Old 2nd July 2018, 02:17
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Ju 88C-4/6? C9+NT - any info..?

Hello, everyone.
Does anyone have any info on the Junkers Ju 88C-4/6(?) C9+NT that was in an Ebay-auction some days ago? Or operational info in the NJ Geschwader?
The aircraft in question was transported by road from Coulommiers airfield to the Frontreparaturbetrieb at Vélizy-Villacoublay - some 77 kilometres.
Does anyone have further info on this aircraft as to where and when exactly it crash landed or was destroyed/damaged..?
Time frame: somewhat around NOV 1942 according to the info provided by the seller... The aircraft seems to have a two tone grey colour scheme which fits the time frame mentioned...
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Old 2nd July 2018, 05:13
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Re: Ju 88C-4/6? C9+NT - any info..?

Missed out on photo, maybe same a/c, only one I have having crash in NJG 5 at Coulommiers in this period was Ju 88 C-6 360176. Can someone post the saved link to this photo?

Assembled in Bernburg Germany about February/March 42 - Ju 88 C-6/B (Medium range) 0880360176 RR+SZ (Price RM 217.100) - III/NJG 2 damaged 15% Gilze Rijen 24.07.42 - IV/NJG 5 (Lw.Befh.Mitte) Non-OPS (H) pilot error and swung on landing (25%) at Coulommiers Airfield, east of Paris, France 03.11.1942 - Entered FRW Villacoublay 11.11.42, ready 18.12.42, collected by same unit 18.12.42 - was C9+AE by 30.04.43 (likely was or had been the personal aircraft of ´Luftwaffe ace´ Prinz zo Sayn. Wittgestein). - then NJ Kdo 13.(Z)/JG 5 by 02.44 (SIG Luftwaffe; ww2.dk; Nick Beale on TOCH forum 13.10.2010) - NJS Finnland 01.08.44 - NJSt Norwegen 31.12.44 - no further info

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Re: Ju 88C-4/6? C9+NT - any info..?

This one? http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showpo...&postcount=450
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Re: Ju 88C-4/6? C9+NT - any info..?

Thanks Snautzer.

For the second picture, you have to click on "angebot" in the blue strip to see it.

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Re: Ju 88C-4/6? C9+NT - any info..?

Thanks. Not found in this sellars DW ex-listings (went back to 27 May, but over 1.000 pages total)
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Old 2nd July 2018, 20:08
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Re: Ju 88C-4/6? C9+NT - any info..?

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Missed out on photo, maybe same a/c, only one I have having crash in NJG 5 at Coulommiers in this period was Ju 88 C-6 360176. Can someone post the saved link to this photo?

Assembled in Bernburg Germany about February/March 42 - Ju 88 C-6/B (Medium range) 0880360176 RR+SZ (Price RM 217.100) - III/NJG 2 damaged 15% Gilze Rijen 24.07.42 - IV/NJG 5 (Lw.Befh.Mitte) Non-OPS (H) pilot error and swung on landing (25%) at Coulommiers Airfield, east of Paris, France 03.11.1942 - Entered FRW Villacoublay 11.11.42, ready 18.12.42, collected by same unit 18.12.42 - was C9+AE by 30.04.43 (likely was or had been the personal aircraft of ´Luftwaffe ace´ Prinz zo Sayn. Wittgestein). - then NJ Kdo 13.(Z)/JG 5 by 02.44 (SIG Luftwaffe; ww2.dk; Nick Beale on TOCH forum 13.10.2010) - NJS Finnland 01.08.44 - NJSt Norwegen 31.12.44 - no further info
Ed, thanks very much for your info - there's a good chance it's this very aircraft. Seller had multiple photographs and the dates at the back of these pics were at the least confusing. Two pics showing the aircraft on a trailer behind the Luftwaffe truck were taken at the same spot and date - but had different dates in the text and/or at the back of the pics.
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Old 2nd July 2018, 20:57
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Re: Ju 88C-4/6? C9+NT - any info..?

Ed,
Now that I come to think of it, the seller also had a picture of Ju 88C-6 (-6 most probably, taken from your info) C9+AE - which was parked in front of a hangar at Coulommiers. The aircraft had FuG 202/212 radar arrays on the nose and sported several Abschußbalken on the tail - so after repair this aircraft was handed over (or used extensively) to (by) Prinz Zu Sayn-Wittgenstein...

An interesting aircraft - did anyone here obtain the photograph of C9+AE by chance? If so, maybe you would be so kind as to send a scan to Theo Boiten for use in the new NCA series..? That would be a very important contribution to the series...

With kind regards and thanks again to all..!
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Old 4th July 2018, 05:32
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Re: Ju 88C-4/6? C9+NT - any info..?

I do not want my info going into Mr. Boiten books.
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Re: Ju 88C-4/6? C9+NT - any info..?

I notice that there are other aircraft in trailers being sold by this seller only now because of interest, he has now hiked up starting price
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Old 4th July 2018, 21:00
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Re: Ju 88C-4/6? C9+NT - any info..?

Hi, Ed and Chriss.

This is turning into a strange conversation, which was not my intention at all.
"I do not want my info going into Mr. Boiten books." I thought 12 o'clock high! was a forum for people who are interested in all aspects of the air war - and that people here are sharing information so to help each other studying and understanding the greater picture.

I also would like to make clear that I do not have anything to do with this seller or seller's prices. The fact that "he has hiked up the starting price" could have another reason. The lorry in front of the trailer with the aircraft (parts) looks like a Beute lorry to me. I'm not a car/lorry enthusiast, but I think the lorry in question might even be British of origin, but I could be wrong. By the way - the aircraft on the trailer are no NJG Nachtjäger, so that can't drive up the price imho. I've managed to buy two pictures of C9+NT for a fair price from this seller, Ed. Your 60% doesn't come near, I'm afraid...

Hopefully we can keep sharing info on this fantastic forum, I would appreciate that very much.

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