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Old 4th August 2019, 20:04
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Macchi c.202

Dear Sirs, Does Anyone Have the Most Reliable Figures Regarding the Production of the Italian Macchi C.202 Folgore, from May 1941 to April 1944, When the Breda Factory was Bombed? Grazie! Anthony.
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Old 11th August 2019, 17:58
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Re: Macchi c.202

The production batches ordered (1350) are well known.
Also those delivered up to August 1943 (1000)

The problem arises with the three final batches (series XIV, XV and XVI) built by SAI and Breda, since I doubt there are any reliable documents remaining.

Are you looking for monthly production or MM numbers for each batch? Not sure if any individual (and thus monthly) production figures are known. I don't have any such details unfortunately!

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Old 19th August 2019, 22:28
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Re: Macchi c.202

Hello, hereinafter some figures about the production up to August, 1943. Data are drawn from an old book (see refs):
MM 445, 1, august 1940, Macchi (prototype)
MM 7709-7858, 100, may 41 - april 42, factory Macchi, series II (first 10 aircraft) and III
MM 7409-7458, 50, november 41 - may 42, Ambrosini, series IV
MM 7859 - 7958, 100, july 41 - march 42, Breda, series I
MM 7959 - 8008, 50, may-JULY 42 , Ambrosini, series V
MM 8081 – 8130, 50, Breda, spring 1942, series VI
MM 8339 - 8388, 50, march-july 42, Breda, series VIII
MM 9023-9122, 100, april-july 42, Macchi, series VII
MM 9389-9488, 100, september 41 - february 42, Macchi, series IX
MM 9500- 9599, 100, july-september 42, Breda, series X
MM 6560-6609, 50, nov 42 -apr 43, Breda, series XI
MM 9602-9751, 150, nov 42 - apr 43, Breda, series XI
MM 91803-91952, 150, may-august 43, Breda, series XII
MM 91953 - 92002, 50, apr - august 43, Macchi, series XIII
MM 92003 – 92052, 50, ?, Ambrosini, series XIV
MM 92053 – 92152, 100, ?, Breda, series XV
MM 95950 -96009, 150, ?, Breda, series XVI
On armistice, 381 Macchi-manufactured ‘202 out of 390 were delivered. Very few examples were delivered after the armistice to the Germans.
On sept., 20th, 1943 580 Breda-manufactured ‘202 out of 900 were delivered; tested 588, assembled up to 619
100 Ambrosini-manufactured out of 150 were delivered.
The total production should be around 1.070 aircraft.
Hope this helps
Fabrizio
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G. Apostolo, Aermacchi C 202, 1996
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Old 20th August 2019, 02:49
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Re: Macchi c.202

I Do Recall that the Series IX was Completed in March, 1943.
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Old 20th August 2019, 17:03
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Re: Macchi c.202

Hello,
regarding Series IX (MM9389-9488), Macchi-manufactured, I have compared different sources:

[1] G. Apostolo, Aermacchi C 202, 1996: september 41 - february 42
[2] R. Gentilli & L. Gorena, Macchi C202 in action, 1980: 1942
[3] AA.VV. , Dimensione Cielo-Caccia Vol. II, 1971: sept. 41- febr 42
[4] P. Skulki, Macchi C.202 Folgore, 2005: sept. 41-febr 42

I don't know if there is an "original" source from which all the others took advantage, but it seems that Series IX completed within the first half of 1942.
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Old 26th August 2019, 05:40
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Re: Macchi c.202

the Series IX was definitelyInitiated in September of 1942 and was Completed in March of 1943.
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Old 26th August 2019, 10:45
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Re: Macchi c.202

I agree it seems Italian authors have taken dates from a common source (unknown to me)
However I am a bit doubtful about these dates since some are not very logic

Looking at the Macchi production
MM7709 - 7858 May 41 - Feb 42 (serie II/III)
MM9023 - 9122 April 42 - July 42 (serie VII)
MM9389 - 9488 Sep 41 - Feb 42 (alt Sep 42 - March 43) (serie IX)

What strikes me first is
a) Why would Macchi start to build aircraft ordered later and produce two batches at the same time (III and IX)? From a logic point of view the alternative production period is thus far better, unless we believe that Macchi started up two production lines and/or worked double/triple shifts for six months and after that, when the war situation became really critical, forgot all about it...
b) What did the workers do in March 1942 and in Aug 1942 (alternative production period)? Did they get a well deserved holiday? Most of us would probably say rather unlikely. Did they move back and forth to other production lines? Were these production lines so general that basically anything could be built on them for one month and then shift back again to building 202s? Were the factory bombed out and production at a stand still? First two options feels both unlikely and very inefficient. I don't know if the third option is viable or not. At least March 1942 feels unlikely

So unless someone can pinpoint at least some exact delivery dates I would say these delivery periods are rather superficial and should be treated with caution. Also the alternative production period feels much more logic than the normally accepted one found in all the books listed by Fabrizio.

Finally Gregory Alegi puts total delivered C.202 at 1128

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Stig

PS: The basic production period of batch IX could of course have an initial printing error (copied by everyone else) and be Sep 1942 - Feb 1943

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