Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum

[eknutson]

A possible solution are built at Wiener Neustadter Flugzeugwerke as 6728 (28 on underside off main spar) 6794 / 6709 on gear attachments fits in WNr block 6651 - 6822 WNF Bf109F-2. Markings on main spar rh pic above) shows a clear F-2 and may be WNFF-2. Later modified too Bf109G-4 by Messerschmitt AG (MA on main spar, se lh pic) fits in WNr block 16001-16250. Left the factory as 16224. Now we can search for information on WNr6728 and WNr16224

We need info on thees airframes:

me109 F2 6728 stkz DJ + JJ
me109 G4 16224 stkz CL + EX ( seems to be machines in this block deliverd to norway / finnland , spesialy f120 / 124
The latter one may be Hptm Willy Lerch (f)120 lost 17.11.1943 on a mission to Scapa Flow

Follow the tread on LEMB

Ernst

[Matti Salonen]

1944-06-29, II./NAG 102, Bf 109F-4, 6728, Fl.Pl. Jüterbog-Damm, Beim Start ausgebrochen. Bruch 20 %.

1943-03-23, III/JG 53, Bf 109G-4 Trop, 16224, Fl.Pl. Trapani, Bei Landung ausgebrochen. Bruch 25 %.

1943-11-17, 1.(F)/120, Bf 109G-4/R3, 19402, A6+ZYH, (Scapa-Flow, Pl.Qu 06 Ost 1018), Vermutlich notlandung auf See infolge Brennstoffmangel. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Hptm Lerch, Willi, vermißt

Matti

[eknutson]

Tank you for the replay Matti Salonen. This means we have to forget this F2 werke nr, as it lived past the G4, meaning in could not have been rebuild as the G4 airframe.
Then i will try to look at it this way.
Say that nr 28 means nr 28 in the row of this werk nr block
Then it will give werke nr 6651+28 = 6679
So then we need info on werkenr 6679
We can also try with the letter K, may be meaning Stkez K? + ??

Ernst

[eknutson]

I think we now have information to solve it:

F2: stkz block for werknr 6667 - 6692 give GC+FA - GC+FZ, meaning werknr 6677 = GC + FK ( K on underside off main spare)
werknr 6679 = GC + FM ( 6651 + 28 u side off m spare)

We then need info on 6677 and 6679 to deside the letter K

G2 / G4
If we think the same vay here MA are stkz and 234 are numer in the werk nr block

WNF have a werknr block range from 14501 - 14850 14501 + 234 = 14735

Alpabete have 26 letters MA are then 13 x 26 = 338 littlebit higer
vill give a werk nr 14839

I found this macine A G2 from WNF NV + MA werk nr 14847 i think will corespond well with the stkz

We need info on werk nr 14847 and 14735

Ernst

[eknutson]

We now have a loss record on F2 6679 but not any confirmation on the stkz ( GC + FK )

W.Nr. 6679, som det etterspørres info om, var en F-2 som havarerte under landing i Arques (Frankrike) 10.05.1941. Maskinen tilhørte da 5./J.G.53 og ble 35 % skadet. Mer på dette flyet finner jeg ikke i tapslistene.

[Matti Salonen]

1944-08-19, 2./JG 106, Bf 109G-2, 14847, 105, Fl.Pl. Reichenbach, Notlandung infolge Brennstoffmangel. Bruch 50 %.
Flugzeugführer Gefr Staude, Fritz, verletzt

1943-08-01, I/JG 4, Bf 109G-2, 14735, Fl.Pl. Mizil, Bruchlandung infolge Feindbeschuß. Bruch 5 %.

Matti

[harrison987]

One problem though...

The numbers on the gear attachments have nothing to do with the werk of the aircraft.

MIke

[eknutson]

Some say yes some say no, may toghths about it is regarding werknr blocks 6709 is deliverd to werknr blocks containing 67 serie

I hope we find some info regarding F2 6677

We asked the team in bodø regarding their G2, it contains no number at all.
May be it is factory related or time related

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by harrison987

One problem though...

The numbers on the gear attachments have nothing to do with the werk of the aircraft.

MIke

Waou Mike at least you are one who is understanding what's happening in this thread.
For my part I'm still scratching my head ... Trying to understand Danish or so.
Though it's not that important since I won't help nobody concerning this research
...
But, however, I have something to illustrate your own comment.
The picture in attachment shows us how a famous Bf109F/Trop became ... WNr. 31010!

Be good, Franck.

[Matti Salonen]

1941-05-15, 5./JG 53, Bf 109F-2, 6677, Fl.Pl. Saint-Omer-Arques, Von landender Bf 109F-2, Werk.-Nr. 6682, gerammt. Bruch 15 %.

Matti