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Late-war Me262 Encounter over Northern Germany
I did post this also on "http://www.luftwaffe-research-group.org" so please forgive me if you find the post twice: |
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Re: Late-war Me262 Encounter over Northern Germany
if it helps, "over the bridgehead" on 30 April probably refers to Lauenburg on the Elbe, quite a long way south of Lübeck.
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Re: Late-war Me262 Encounter over Northern Germany
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I think so - the 11. Armoured reached Lübeck May 2nd - and they did come across the intermediate base of the 10./NJG 11 on the Highway to Lübeck. Flying time is rather short - I have just been up there in a Cessna, it only is about 50 Kilometers from the outskirts of Hamburg to Lübeck... nothing not to handle... I just cannot find and matching loss in the Records of Events for the Tempest Sqns... - maybe I'll check the Typhoons to make sure they did not mix up the types... Andreas |
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Re: Late-war Me262 Encounter over Northern Germany
Georg did not engage Tempests wait for the book on K. Welter and his merry band....
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Re: Late-war Me262 Encounter over Northern Germany
Andreas Z.,
I have never heard of the website you cited above. I went to it and found that there is no way to sample the contents without joining. In other words, I should buy the car without test driving it. So, what is this site all about? In what ways is it different from this website? If they do not want people to preview its contents, then it sounds like a good site to avoid. Can you let us know something about it? Thanks, L. |
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my understanding of the site "mentioned above" is that it tries to step in where the old LEMB forum finished when it was closed down earlier this year. Not sure why the forum is not "open" to non-registered readers but as I am not running it, I cannot comment on it. Andreas |
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Re: Late-war Me262 Encounter over Northern Germany
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many thanks for the feedback here and elsewhere - much appreciated. As with many things on Welter's group, it is hard to separate fact from fiction (and given that I have not found supporting evidence in the records, I had already put this one down on the "most likely fiction" side of things). The next problem, of course, is then navigating in "misplaced events in time" and "former publisher beefed up things a bit" judgments... especially since most publishers have decided to work without revealing their sources.... What's your target date on your work about Welter? Any ideas yet? Andreas |
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Thanks, Andreas. That's very helpful and just the comparison I was looking for. L. |
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Re: Late-war Me262 Encounter over Northern Germany
Hi Andreas,
provided that the base facts of the story are correct, especially with regards to Czypionka abandoning his Me262 part way down the runway/landing ground after touch down due to strafing attacks, from memory (because I don't have the source material at hand) there are combat reports from the RAF units involved in a strafing attack on Lübeck that describe the Me262 pilot abandoning his Me262 part way down the runway... I don't, off-hand. recall the date of the encounter, but the book '2nd Tactical Air Force Volume 3', by Chris Shores and Chris Thomas should have amplifying details. Here is a published account about Czypionka abandoning his Me262: Every flak gun on the airfield was already firing at the British fighters as the two jets came in at low altitude. "They were shooting at everyone; it didn't matter. The sergeant's plane was hit in one wheel by our own flak, so when he landed, it was flat and pulled him off to the right. He was lucky because that threw 'off the aim of the ones behind him who were trying to shoot him down." Czypionka was hit in the rudder and in his empty rear-fuselage fuel tank by cannon fire from a Spitfire that overshot him as he started to lower his gear and flaps. "He zoomed past me, and I decided I wasn't going to make it that way, so I pulled everything up and landed on the turbines." The airplane slid to a stop in the middle of the field. Czypionka leapt out and started to run as several Spitfires came in on a strafing run. "The flak got the one, but they strafed the airplane." "Wilde Sau" mosquito fighters, Flight Journal, Apr 2002 by Cleaver, Thomas McKelvey regards Rod |
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Re: Late-war Me262 Encounter over Northern Germany
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