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Old 10th September 2019, 13:59
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RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.

Hi!

I am looking for the serial number and unit for the RAF B-24, India, 1944
RAF no 1673 HCU used at that time, Liberator Mark III, VI, And IX.

But i think The Black Swan is a Liberator B MK VI (B-24G/H/ (J)?
It might also be a Liberator from no 159?

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https://www.b24australia.org.au/b-24.../bill-anderson

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Sorry, posted in wrong discussion group.

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Old 10th September 2019, 18:14
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Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.

I59/S was KH252 from some time after 7.10.44 until it transferred to 358 Sq. This must be a strong contender. There are a lot of serial/code links dot 159 Sq in Air Britain's tome on the Liberator in RAF & Commonwealth service, including at least one X, but that was the only S I've found in a quick search. (That's not to claim that I couldn't have missed one or more.)
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Old 11th September 2019, 13:16
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Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.

This was B-24J. Definitely not G, or H.
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Old 11th September 2019, 19:17
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Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.

KH252 was a B-24J-CF. B M.VIs in this delivery batch were built from a range of batch numbers, but were modified to a consistent -30 standard in Kentucky (most likely Modification Center for this series.)
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Old 11th September 2019, 20:34
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Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.

KH252 might be a potential candidate. Gonna dig more in to it.



I will try to get the records from 1673 HCU, AIR 29/614/7 that covers October 1943 to November 1944.
Before 1673 HCU was disbanded and adopted to no 159 and other units.
Maybe the records can show the A/C inventory for example?
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Old 12th September 2019, 13:16
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Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.

I very much doubt whether a 1673 HCU aircraft would carry individual nose art. There's none to be seen on the photos I've seen - there may well of course be more photos around! It was however common on 159 Sq., where several examples are known. In the Air Britain book, most but not all 159 Sq examples are given with code letters (though not all) but there was only one S that I could find, and it did fall into the right period.
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Old 12th September 2019, 23:05
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Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.

After reading on rquirk's website there is alsoThe EV911 S, B-24J-10-CF, ex 42-64269
due to when i read about Bill Anderson, he mentioned that he in October 1944 as captain for S for Sugar, KH252 S where going on a new mission. But EV911 S was also used earlier. A potential? And i started to wonder if Black Swan might be code "B" and not "S".?


I need look up Liberator in RAF & Commonwealth service.
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Old 13th September 2019, 05:10
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Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.

Hello,

For Matt Poole's views on Liberator KH252, go to:

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/vi...ert-quirks-/55

Hit READ, go to p.114 (see also EV911, p.70). (Caveat: The material available here, is not Matt's latest research on the subject. Best to contact him personally for the latest).

NB. Matt has now removed this material from Robert Quirk's site.

Robert Quirk has serious health issues and for the present his site will remain available. Long-term, who knows?

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Old 13th September 2019, 09:26
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Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.

Hello all,

Col, thanks for Matt Poole's document link.

I'm very sorry to hear about Robert Quirk's condition, and wish him all the best.

Anderson's 1st mission was in 'S' (according to landing time in the orb).
Some 159 Sqn's Liberators (from my old list):
Coded S: AL537, AL620, BZ922, KH252
Coded X: AL638, BZ836, BZ842, EV960, EV993, KH170, KH276, KH408, KL677. KH247 also listed (possibly wrong).

"Black Swan" was Mcn 30-?5?, probably in the KH___ range.

Long time ago I researched Mcn 43 series only (corrections are welcome).

43-001 KL391 44-49682 (correct, and KL591 was 43-083)
43-002 KL580 44-49452
43-003 KL581 44-49453 BL-U
43-004 KL575 44-49441 EP-R
43-005 KL582 44-49455
43-006 KL577 44-49444 BL-T
43-007 KL579 44-49449
43-008 KL574 44-49440 BL-V
43-009 KL583 44-49457
43-010 KL578 44-49447
43-011 KL584 44-49459 BL-J
43-012 KL573 44-49439
43-013 KL588 44-49473
43-014 KL587 44-49470
43-015 KL590 44-49477 probably
43-016 KL589 44-49475 probably
43-017 KL585 44-49462
43-018 KL576 44-49443
43-019 KL586 44-49465
43-020 KL593 44-49692
43-021 KL572 44-49426
43-022 KL475 44-49058
43-023 KL501 44-49107 BL-S
43-024 KL504 44-49110
43-025 KL560 44-49206
43-026 KL527 44-49147 .W, 70 Sqn, 205 Group
43-027 KL499 44-49105
43-028 KL503 44-49109
43-029 KL507 44-49113
43-030 KL494 44-49100
43-031 KL495 44-49101
43-032 KL479 44-49069
43-033 KL485 44-49090
43-034 KL487 44-49093
43-035 KL482 44-49078
43-036 KL488 44-49094
43-037 KL524 44-49142
43-038 KL489 44-49095
43-039 KL484 44-49083
43-040 KL513 44-49119
43-041 KL526 44-49145
43-042 KL512 44-49118
43-043 KL492 44-49098
43-044 KL521 44-49137
43-045 KL510 44-49116 BL-B
43-046 KL523 44-49140
43-047 KL534 44-49156
43-048 KL483 44-49081
43-049 KL516 44-49122
43-050 KL528 44-49148
43-051 KL486 44-49092
43-052 KL556 44-49199
43-053 KL515 44-49121
43-054 KL525 44-49144
43-055 KL563 44-49210
43-056 KL541 44-49163
43-057 KL536 44-49158
43-058 KL564 44-49212
43-059 KL508 44-49114
43-060 KL481 44-49076
43-061 KL546 44-49168
43-062 KL491 44-49097
43-063 KL547 44-49169
43-064 KL478 44-49066
43-065 KL543 44-49165
43-066 KL548 44-49170 178 Sqn, 205 Group
43-067 KL549 44-49171 178 Sqn, 205 Group
43-068 KL538 44-49160
43-069 KL545 44-49167
43-070 KL529 44-49150 or KL552 44-49217
43-071 KL557 44-49200
43-072 KL529? or KL552?
43-073 KL569 44-49220
43-074 KL540 44-49162
43-075 KL571 44-49223
43-076 KL530 44-49151
43-077 KL531 44-49026
43-078 KL537 44-49195
43-079 ?
43-080 ?
43-081 KL592 44-49689
43-082 KL597 44-49709
43-083 KL591 44-49686
43-084 KL599 44-49717
43-085 KL601 44-49729
43-086 KL594 44-49697
43-087 KL595 44-49701
43-088 KL600 44-49722
43-089 KL598 44-49713
43-090 KL596 44-49706
43-091 KL607 44-49978
43-092 KL621 44-49785
43-093 KL611 44-49765
43-094 KL635 44-49812
43-095 KL623 44-49790
43-096 KL649 44-49835
43-097 KL614 44-49774
43-098 KL627 44-49798
43-099 KL650 44-49836
43-100 KL618 44-49780
43-101 KL646 44-49831
43-102 KL632 44-49804
43-103 KL638 44-49819
43-104 KL616 44-49777
43-105 KL615 44-49758
43-106 KL641 44-49823
43-107 KL644 44-49828
43-108 KL629 44-49800
43-109 KL637 44-49815
43-110 KL618 44-49780
43-111 KL612 44-49769
43-112 KL620 44-49756
43-113 KL622 44-49757
43-114 KL619 44-49781
43-115 KL645 44-49830
43-116 KL636 44-49813
43-117 KL648 44-49834
43-118 KL633 44-49805
43-119 KL651 44-49842
43-120 KL613 44-49770
43-121 KL624 44-49755
43-122 KL625 44-49775
43-123 KL626 44-49794
43-124 KL628 44-49793
43-125 KL630 44-49762
43-126 KL639 44-49820
43-127 KL681 44-49833
43-128 KL647 44-49871
43-129 KL652 44-49903
43-130 KL654 44-49993
43-131 KL657 44-49766
43-132 KL658 44-49901
43-133 KL663 44-49959
43-134 KL664 44-49799
43-135 KL665 44-49787
43-136 KL666 44-49760
43-137 KL667 44-49782
43-138 KL669 44-49792
43-139 KL670 44-49898
43-140 KL672 44-49969
43-141 KL673 44-49761
43-142 KL676 44-49956
43-143 KL679 44-49802
43-144 KL682 44-49909
43-145 KL685 44-49998
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Old 13th September 2019, 21:49
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Re: RAF Liberator, Black Swan, India, 1944.

Is the date of his first operation compatible with the arrival of KH252 in theatre (7.10.44)?

If not then EV911 could indeed be more appropriate. Oughton (Air Britain) list EV911 as serving with 159 but gives no code except later with 356 Sq as G.
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