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Old 3rd February 2016, 11:16
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Re: Why sons and daughters do not write about their fathers (WW2 biographies)

Dear Johannes, Christian, Nick, Chris, David, Bruce, Andy and Richard

Thank you for taking time to answer. Your own words points to several aspects I thought were part of the equation/answer.

Johannes: thank you for adding details of Obfw. Wilhelm Baumgartner's career.
Christian: I remember what Martin Drewes said once, about Germany not letting the RK's winners meet in one of the Luftwaffe's Station...something like that...their own country did not want to loan them a place to their meeting!...and they all fought for Germany in WW2!!!
Chris: I quite do agree with you...Military and Aeronautical books are just a small part of the huge world that is that of Publishers and Editors of books. Not so many (as I saw on a previous thread here on the Fórum) do have more than 1,000 books on the subject....and not so many youngsters nowadays seems to care about WW1, WW2 and the other shorten wars...in general: of keeping History alive (and preserving it)!
David: Yes, some of them were and always will be true Gentlemen....with bounds of Humility...several answered me that they "were NOT heroes" (DFC winners, etc...).
Bruce: Good point!
Richard: I remember the second book of memories I read, when a 13 years old boy...that of Clostermann, which changed my life....sadly nowadays we do know it is full of mistakes, historical errors and fictional stories...INDEED, some of the veterans do need a Ghost Writer, a Historian or Researcher (or writer, like some of you) to give them a handle and cross-check the files, the archives and put the right thinks on the line. For instance I contacted a former RAF Mosquito airman that believed he was shot down by a Me 262...sadly we showed him that he was claimed by a Bf 109 G with MW50!!! There were NO other claim that day...so...MEMORY is a tricky think...Some of us are former flyers (Chris Goss is a former RAF officer and Wakefield, a former RAF and BOAC Captain, etc..). We certainly do remember our FIRST SOLO, but the third or fourth flight after it, we certainly will remember no more...what I mean is that: after decades, we do remember some of our most memorable flights, some events that were recorded on one's mind...this is why, I guess, to write a full biography of a former airman (WW1 or WW2) one's need to cross-check his Logbook/Flugbuch + some kind of diary + notes + Official Documents (ORB/Squadron Diary, etc..). Sadly, on the German side, some of those documents are lost forever. Martin Drewes told me they buried the III Gruppe NJG 1 Diary somewhere....on a box....it may be lost forever...You are CORRECT by pointing that SEVERAL Squadrons Associations (both in the USA, UK, Germany, etc.) have kept their MAGAZINE, where former veterans were encouraged to keep it alive and tell their stories. It is a most NOTABLE TRIBUTE and, I believe, an immense source of pride for them and of historical background for the next generations (of pilots, youngsters and pilots).

What I was suggesting, with that thread, and showed some good examples (Oxby's son, Sarah V. Mosher and others) is that MAYBE, in the near futur, the relatives (sons, grandsons, etc....) of former WW1 and WW2 veterans will face the thrilling and exciting patch to write about those forgotten heroes.

THANK YOU for sharing your ideas and points of view. I do have, a great admiration for some of you guys and for your Historical work (books, sites, etc..). KEEP GOING!!!

Most humbly yours,
Adriano S. Baumgartner
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Old 3rd February 2016, 17:47
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Re: Why sons and daughters do not write about their fathers (WW2 biographies)

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...and they all fought for Germany in WW2!!!
As I said, the war didn't start in 1944/45, but in 1939. They wouldn't have to fight for Germany if they hadn't started the war in the first place. And I, for one, am glad that there is a consensus about this in present Germany..
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Old 3rd February 2016, 21:34
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Re: Why sons and daughters do not write about their fathers (WW2 biographies)

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As I said, the war didn't start in 1944/45, but in 1939. They wouldn't have to fight for Germany if they hadn't started the war in the first place. And I, for one, am glad that there is a consensus about this in present Germany..


I do respect your opinion, but I totally disagree with it. They (airmen, veterans, etc.) did not started the war...they fought the war for Politicians as Clausewitz put in other words. I guess we do not need to go deeper, because we will be going to another area I would not like to enter...My main idea was to keep History alive with new books coming from the sons, grandsons and relatives...this was the focus of this thread.

Again, I do remain, humbly yours,
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Old 3rd February 2016, 22:43
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They (airmen, veterans, etc.) did not started the war...they fought the war for Politicians
I don't want the thread to get into politics beyond saying that one should not generalise about the tens of millions who fought: some volunteered, some were conscripted, some would have been enthusiastic British or Japanese Imperialists, National Socialists, Communists; others would have been indifferent or outright opposed to their own governments. Also, there was a substantial crossover between politicians and veterans. Thanks to mass mobilisation, a European in a senior governmental or military position in 1939 had probably fought in the Great War as had many American generals in 1941 (sorry, I don't know about those in government in the USA).
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Old 17th February 2016, 21:43
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When our fathers were alive, they were just normal " Daddy" in the RAF. It is only now in our maturity that we realise their tales were in fact heroic. We cared for their damaged bodies and minds - until we were too worn out for the luxury of writing. Those of us who have manuscripts that just need tidying up - let them be seem by people who might help - and then find our stories repeated, unattributed , by prolific authors. Still, we were raised to expect injustice after the way our government treated the survivors of Bomber Command.
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Old 3rd February 2017, 23:49
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This is what brought me to this forum. I have been researching my Grandfather, a ball turret gunner from WWII, and decided to write about him. I am not writing a book or anything I think the public would devour, but just an account of what he went through. He did not talk about it at all to his children or grandchildren, we did not even know how many flights he had. Now I have tracked down most of the info I need to piece things together.
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