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Old 13th October 2011, 20:21
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Adel Luftwaffe KIA- Info needed

I've started a project to identify all the units where Adel or German nobles (von) died in action. I have a book that gives some details but many are lacking. Any help welcome.

(1) ZOBELTITZ, Hanns-Henning- Born Berlin 27.10.1923 KIA 29.3.1944
-member of a Nacthjatgdgeschwader
(2) ZHUBER v. Okrog,Raimund Born Marburg/Drau 22.5.1918 KIA 1944 -member of a "Fernkampfgeschwader"
(3) ZEDLITZ und Trützschler, Konstantin Born 17.12.1915 missing between Gomel and Korotop 27.7.1941
(4) ZAHRADNICEK Edler von KASTELIK,Rudolf Missing in East February 1942.
(5) WRANGELL, Olaf Baron v. - Born 4.7.1906 KIA Teltow bei Berlin 24.4.1945 , Hauptmann der Luftwaffe, Flugkapitän der Deutschen Lufthansa.
(6) WITZENDORF-REHDIGER, Christian v. - Born 27.9.1923 KIA (durch Arbstürtz) 14.6.1943
(7) WINDISCH-Grätz, Hugo Prinz zu Born 1.9.1914 KIA 22.8.1942 in Luftkämpf

Thanks to all.
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Old 13th October 2011, 21:33
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Re: Adel Luftwaffe KIA- Info needed

There is no loss for 29 March 1944 in Michael Ball book about NJG personal losses. And no mention of any ZOBELTITZ around this date.
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Old 13th October 2011, 21:44
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Re: Adel Luftwaffe KIA- Info needed

If you look in the ''On Offer' section there was a thread by David Lenk 'Lw.Offz Sterbebild Deat Notices' with a list of von names on death notices he had for sale. On 11-4-1941 3/KG55 lost Ff Lt. Graf v. Krockow, Caspar and the same night 7/KG55 lost Ff. Lt. Prinz Biron, Gustav v. Kurland Ludwig ( thats how the names appear in the KG 55 history) on mission to bomb Birmingham. On 13-7-1944 10/JG2 lost Ofhr. Ruthart v. Richthofen,

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Old 14th October 2011, 02:44
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Re: Adel Luftwaffe KIA- Info needed

Laurent,I'm just writing what is listed in the book I have. So far,I've gone through W-Z
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Old 14th October 2011, 14:17
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Re: Adel Luftwaffe KIA- Info needed

I have a few,
1, von Heimann, Roderic, 17.08.1941, 3/Kfg 606.
2, von Klein, Josef, 01.11.1941, Erpro/KG30.
3, von Kugelgen, Arnold, 14.11.1940, 3(F)/123.
4, von Pawelsz, Friedrich, 24.02.1944, 6/KG2.
5, von Rittberg, Job Wilhelm, 05.09.1940, 1/KG1.
6, von Schenk, Benna, 03.11.1940, 5/LG2.
7, von Schwerin, Albert, 19.11.1940, 1/KG26.
8, von Seidlitz, Dunher, 16.04.1941, 8/KG55.
9, von Turckheim, G, 09.08.1940, 1/KG4.
10, von der Groeben, Horst, 13.08.1940, Stab III/KG2.

All have named graves in the German War Cemetery at Cannock Chase, except von der Groeben who is still in an unmarked grave at Whitstable.
Hope this helps.
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Old 14th October 2011, 14:59
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Re: Adel Luftwaffe KIA- Info needed

I now have those sterebild and Peter Cornwell has kindly been working on them for me; they show:

Von Wechmar
Von Schenck
Von Doemming
Von Schwerin
Von Sternburg
Von Stillfried
Von Weiher
Von Claer
Von Perthes
Von Houwald
Von Imhoff
Von Plato
Von Neumann
Von der Schulenburg
Von Lillencron
Von Schultz
Von Perglas
Von Wuehlisch
Von Kuegelgen
Von Schlotheim
Von Liebenstein
Von Winterfeld
Von Bruening
Von Platen-Hallermund
Von Bothmer
Von Koelichen
Von Weiher
Von Richthofen
Von Koon
Von Szymonski
Von Nesselrode-Reichenstein
von Muellenheim-Rechberg

All at 1939 to early 1941 so methinks this will be a massive undertaking
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Old 14th October 2011, 17:01
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Re: Adel Luftwaffe KIA- Info needed

Yes, I realize that it will take a while. The reference guide I'm using is a German publication circa 1950's that list all (most?) of the German nobles KIA/MIA in WWII.

It also includes such people as Sq Ldr. Colloredo-Mansfeld, who was an Austrian noble , KIA flying for the British.
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Re: Adel Luftwaffe KIA- Info needed

Hptm.Hans von Boltenstern, Grkdr of Erpr. Gr. 210, +4/9/40
Lt. Ulrich Freiherr von der Horst, 1./Erpr. Gr. 210, +24/9/40
Lt. Friedrich von-und-zu Castell, 7./ZG 76, +11/7/40
Lt. Fritz von Sauer, 1./SKG 210 +24/6/41
Oblt. Helmut Lolhoffel von Lowensprung, 5./ZG 1, missing since 11/2/42
Hptm. Walter Poka von Pokafalva, 4./ZG 1, +7/3/42
Obst. Lothar von Janson, Gesch. Stab, ZG 1, +10/3/44

Also, Lt. Bodo von Rabenau, pilot with ZG 1, was later killed in action with JG 5.
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Re: Adel Luftwaffe KIA- Info needed

I tried looking through the available GQM list for your items 3-7 all I found was an entry on report dated 30-7-1941 for item 3 . Ju88D-1 F6+FH 1195 B Oblt Graf v Zedlitz u Tutzschler, Konstatin and crew of 1(F)/122 all missing on 27-7-1941.
As regrads item 5 - I could not find anything in the GQM but on searching for Olaf Baron Wrangell (spelt Wrangel) it came up with one born in 1928 and wounded in the defense of Berlin 1945.
Likewise item 7 - nothing in the GQM but several sites had him born 1-9-1914 and lost over Italy on 8-8-1942. Looking around both dates I could not find his name. Perhaps it is entered differently or their losses are a late entry.
Good luck with your project,

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Have you tried this site http://alifrafikkhan.blogspot.com/20...acht-yang.html it is also on 'The Axis Forum' in a thread 'Nobles casualty list'
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Re: Adel Luftwaffe KIA- Info needed

Thanks Brian for those nuggets of inforamtion. And thank to all who have taken the time and energy to provide information.
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