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Old 15th November 2009, 14:05
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Re: Crash-site location of 13 Stukas?

Many thanks Ed, i think i know what records you are refering to.

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Old 4th September 2019, 23:31
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Re: Crash-site location of 13 Stukas?

This is an old thread, but:

I - Have someone ever found if wreckages of those machines are still buried at Neuhammer-am-Queis?

II - The list below do show us only 12 machines. What were the code and werknummer of the 13th?

Ju 87 B-1 0433 S1+BL
Ju 87 B-1 5177 S1+GL
Ju 87 B-1 5170 S1+CL
Ju 87 B-1 5172 S1+DL
Ju 87 B-1 5176 S1+FL
Ju 87 B-1 5168 S1+GK
Ju 87 B-1 0411 S1+AL
Ju 87 B-1 5202 S1+MK
Ju 87 B-1 5121 S1+KK
Ju 87 B-1 xxxx S1+BB (as "81BB" in document) 2 crew light injured but a/c. w/o
Ju 87 B-1 0403 S1+DK
Ju 87 B-1 5165 S1+FK

All other (22) crew killed, aircraft destroyed. Cause given as "Bodenebel" (ground fog), "absturz im Wald" (crashed in Forest). Yes, tragic indeed.


III - Are the names of the crewmembers known?

I know that Oberleutnant Eppen, Müller and Goldmann were amongst those KIA, but what about the other airmen's names?

IV - Where were they buried?

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Old 5th September 2019, 13:25
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Crash-site location of 13 Stukas on film?

It seems quite possible that this mass accident was kept on film by some PK (Propagandakompanie) for this was a very official demonstration for the eyes of several high-ranking generals. "IF" the film(s) has/have survived it could contain some useful clues. Ask BA-MA?
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Old 5th September 2019, 14:56
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Re: Crash-site location of 13 Stukas?

Or ECPAD,
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Old 5th September 2019, 15:19
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Re: Crash-site location of 13 Stukas?

This is a list of the personnel losses, but unfortunately there is no connection between these names and the aircraft lost. Also their position (FF or BF) in not known to me. Of course it may be obvious that all officers were pilots, but there are only 7 of them.

Uffz Bledau, Walter, +
Ogfr Brandt, Arthur, +
Uffz Braun, Franz, +
Uffz Brend'amour, Josef, +
Uffz Doths, Hermann, +
Uffz Gade, Wilhelm, +
Olt Giesse, Rudolf, +
Olt Goldmann, Josef, +
Gefr Heinke, Fritz, +
Uffz Hess, Manfred, +
Uffz Knorr-Duckwitz, Willi, +
Uffz Lange, Wilhelm, +
Uffz Meyer, Walter, +
Lt Molenaar, Otto, +
Olt Müller, Fritz, +
Gefr Noack, Friedrich, +
Uffz Oberle, Emil, +
Fw Proch, Max, +
Gefr Schweizer, Franz, +
Uffz Staiger, Karl, +
Olt Stehle, Adelwald, +
Lt Tietze, Friedrich, +
Lt Vorlauf, Reinhold, +
Uffz Walter, Hellmuth, +
Uffz Wielandt, Werner, +
Gefr Winter, Franz, +

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Old 5th September 2019, 15:28
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Re: Crash-site location of 13 Stukas?

Brend'amour


Is ;


Blend d'amour ?


or


Brin d'amour ?


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Old 5th September 2019, 16:12
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Re: Crash-site location of 13 Stukas?

MATTI,

Again, my gratitude for your most helpful contribution and information.

I have seen on other links some wreckage scattered amongst the woods...possibly of those machine who tried to avoid the trees and were not on a vertical dive, but trying to put their nose up...so, at least (it seems so) some of the wreckage remained not so deep onto the ground (and could be easily recovered by the LW teams later). Of course, perhaps one or more machines indeed crashed vertically without timing to recover from the vertical to horizontal (or positiv climb)...those may remain deeply and tightly (not scattered) on the ground...Perhaps one of the Poles Historians or Archeologists do try to find them....who knows if something still remains.

A most interesting thread indeed....and a sad loss of lives.

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Old 6th September 2019, 18:45
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PK-photos? - Crash-site location of 13 Stukas?

Sorry I forgot to add that most probably PK-photographers equipped with long lenses were there too. That was foolish of me.

Somehow I feel the survival of photographs is more likely than for film footage but you never know.

So: ask BA-MA or ECPAD?
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Old 7th September 2019, 09:34
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Re: Crash-site location of 13 Stukas?

Hi gents,



As far I know (but 100% sure) the story was told in Udet biography.


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Old 7th September 2019, 10:07
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Re: Crash-site location of 13 Stukas?

Hello,

IIRC this topic was already discussed. It seems the Stuka dived into the sandy soil (as hard as rock) so, most probably, any wreckage buried, only splashed. My two cents, based on aircraft recovery.

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