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Old 1st January 2015, 20:08
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Haleiwa, 7 Dec. 41

Hello!

How many P-36As and P-40s were based at Haleiwa in the early hours of 7 December 1941?

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Re: Haleiwa, 7 Dec. 41

Most online sources give 8 x P-40 and 2 x P-36.

See e.g. http://www.ww2pacific.com/aaf41.html

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Re: Haleiwa, 7 Dec. 41

Thanks.

However, according to your source there's something wrong.

Wheeler: 39 P-36s + 98 P-40s
Bellows: 2 P-40s
Haleiwa: 2 P-36s + 8 P-40s

ie: 41 P-36s + 108 P-40s

Grand total (according to your source):
- 39 P-36s
- 99 P-40s

Where do come the 2 P-36s and 9 P-40s that cannot be accounted for?
Or have they been counted twice?


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Re: Haleiwa, 7 Dec. 41

Chris,

Didn't do any math on total numbers, just what's said about Haleiwa in most online sources.

I understand that the 47th PS had some fighters sent to Haleiwa on gunnery practice exercises only.

More text here: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/.../7Dec41-B.html or
http://hiavps.com/haleiwa.htm

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Re: Haleiwa, 7 Dec. 41

Thanks Landeert.
And my best wishes to you too.
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Re: Haleiwa, 7 Dec. 41

Hello,

from Joe Baugher's Lists.
Here are the serial numbers of the P-36's listed as "to Hawaii"
38-2;11;15;21;22;27;31;32;36;45;
55;57;59;63;70;73;75;76;78;82;
83;86;90;92;93;98;102;108;109;110;
118;121;124;125;127;128;133;145;146;149;
152;160;161;167;168;169;171;176;179;205.
Total 50 a/c

And here the serial numbers of the P-36's taken from the Robert's Commission List of 14th December 41.
38-2;11;15;21;22;27;31;32;36;45;
55;57;59;63;70;73;76;78;82;83;
86;90;92;93;98;102;108;109;110;111;
118;121;124;125;128;133;145;149;160;161;
167;169;171;176.
Total 44 a/c .
But J. baugher has 111 as "to Puerto Rico".

Extra seven in Joe baughers list are 38-75;127;146;152;168;179;205[P-36C (c/n 12620)].
38-146 - missing 29th August 41.
38-168 - Mid air collision with 38-179 6th January 41.


From my own list I have the following -
38-15 (c/n 12429)mid air collision with 38-70(c/n 12484) on 12th July 41.
38-31 (c/n 12445) accident 12th April 1942.
38-32 (c/n 12446) accident 7th July 1941.
38-45 (c/n 12459) accident 9th June 1941.
38-55 (c/n 12469) accident 11th July 1941.
38-70 (c/n 12484) see 38-15.
38-73 (c/n 12487) accident 10th April 1941.
38-75 (c/n 12489) accident 6th march 1941.
38-83 (c/n 12497) Lost at sea 11th October 1941.
38-90 (c/n 12504) accident 31st July 1941.
38-92 (c/n 12506) accident July 15th 1941.
38-108 (c/n 12522) Lost at sea 11th October 1941.
38-109 (c/n 12523) accident 29th June 1942.
38-110 (c/n 12524) accident 23rd April 1942.
38-133 (c/n 12547) accident 1st August 1941.
38-146 (c/n 12560) Lost at sea 29th August 1941.
38-149 (c/n 12563) accident 29th June 1942.
38-152 (c/n 12566) accident 21st July 1941.
38-161 (c/n 12575) accident 29th April 1941 again accident 21st April 1942.
38-168 (c/n 12582) accident 6th January 1941.
38-179 (c/n 12593) accident 6th January 1941.

Hope this helps clear up the numbers
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Re: Haleiwa, 7 Dec. 41

Hello,
I have not checked to see if the following is a match to my earlier post above.
However I found only minutes ago this info from my old files way back in 2010.

HALEIWA FIELD
47th PURSUIT SQUADRON (6 TOTAL)
Plane - Group - Number - SerialNumber - Status as of 12/8/41 - Pilot

P-36A 2 48 2 38-128 In Commission (BROWN)
P-40B 49 155 41-13317 In Commission (TAYLOR)
P-36A 50 157 38-160 In Commission (ROGERS)
P-40B 3 51 158 41-13318 Lost in Combat (DAINS)
P-40B 52 160 41-13325 In Commission (WELCH)
P-40B 53 161 41-13326 In Commission (KNEEN)

Sadly I have no idea from whome I got the info. All I know is that it is WheelerAircraft Serial Numbers (Compatability Mode) Microsoft Word .
But it seems to be the answer to your question.
All the very best
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Re: Haleiwa, 7 Dec. 41

Yes, it certainly does answer my question.
But first I have to sort all this out.
Many thanks, Alex.
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Re: Haleiwa, 7 Dec. 41

Hello,

Came accros the following over the last few days whilst looking for another "old" subject.

From the Roberts Commission page 1833.
44 P-36's
Before the attack
In commision - 20.
Out of commision - 24.
Damaged in raid - 21.
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Also found this

Destroyed

01 - 38-59 - "2" - HQ 15 PG-S.
02 - 38-133 - "11" - 45 Sqn.
03 - 38-149 - "13" - 45 Sqn.
04 - 38-22 - "16" - 45 Sqn.
05 - 38-31 - "17" - 45 Sqn.
06 - 38-102 - "21" - 45 Sqn.
07 - 38-110 - "22" - 45 Sqn.
08 - 38-176 - "26" - 45 Sqn.
09 - 38-27 - "27" - 45 Sqn.
10 - 38-108 - "28" - S.
11 - 38-124 - "44" - 46 Sqn.
12 - 38-57 - "46" - 46 Sqn.
13 - 38-92 - "57" - 46 Sqn.
Lost in Combat
14 - 38-11 - "42" - 46 Sqn.
15 - 38-109 - "50" - 46 Sqn.
Damaged in Combat
16 - 38-78 - "15" - 45 Sqn.
Damaged
17 - 38-15 - "29" - S.
18 - 38-45 - "18" - 45 Sqn.
19 - 38-55 - "41" - 46 Sqn.
20 - 38-76 - "47" - 46 Sqn.
21 - 38-169 - "53" - 46 Sqn.
22 - 38-171 - "54" - 46 Sqn.
Still in Commision
23 - 38-36 - "1" - HQ 15 PG.
24 - 38-128 - "2" (second "2" ?) - 47 Sqn.
25 - 38-63 - "19" - 45 Sqn.
26 - 38-167 - "20" - 45 Sqn.
27 - 38-2 - "23" - 45 Sqn.
28 - 38-73 - "24" - 45 Sqn.
29 - 38-161 - "25" - 45 Sqn.
30 - 38-70 - "30" - S.
31 - 38-83 - "31" - S.
32 - 38-21 - "43" - 46 Sqn.
33 - 38-32 - "45" - 46 Sqn.
34 - 38-86 - "48" - 46 Sqn.
35 - 38-82 - "49" - 46 Sqn.
36 - 38-118 - "51" - 46 Sqn.
37 - 38-121 - "52" - 46 Sqn.
38 - 38-145 - "55" - 46 Sqn.
39 - 38-90 - "56" - 46 Sqn.
40 - 38-93 - "58" - 46 Sqn.
41 - 38-98 - "59" - 46 Sqn.
42 - 38-111 - "60" - 47 Sqn.
43 - 38-125 - "61" - 46Sqn.
44 - 38-160 -" " - 47 Sqn.
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Hope it is of use.
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