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Old 17th November 2021, 16:20
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

Jim, White 4 is 170061.
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Old 17th November 2021, 22:14
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

Hi Dan,

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The above is an enlargement from a photo previously posted on the web of page 414 in Smith & Creek, Me 262 Volume Two, (1998), whose caption identifies it as "W.Nr. 130017 'White 4'". To my eye, the original photo in their book shows a "306" beneath the horizontal stabilizer. On consulting the Production Log, I find on page 69: "170306 Me 262 A-1a. ... Uffz. Helmut Schmidt of 10./EJG 2, was injured on7 January 1945, in the Lechfeld area, while landing. 'White 4' was 90 percent destroyed."

This was why I captioned it "possibly W.Nr. 170306".

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Old 18th November 2021, 20:59
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

Jim, I was lucky enough to have a very good copy of that photo before being lost by hard drive failure, and it was 170061 plain as day. Granted, that was just one photo of one White 4, and there were many, as with all the other numbers. Just FYI. Take care!
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Old 18th November 2021, 23:08
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

Jim,

Dan is correct - there is a clearer version of that photos that reveals the Werknummer. Note that since it was given a replacement experimental wooden fin and rudder the Werknummer was re-applied in a lower position as seen on 130xxx series machines.

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Old 18th November 2021, 23:39
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

Dan and David,

Thank you very much for this correction. It is appreciated.

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Old 24th November 2021, 11:31
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Re: Some enlarged and 'tweaked' known photos of Me 262s

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32. The early Me 262 S series aircraft were used as conversion trainers for pilots from III./ZG 26 who were to become Erprobungskommando 262 under Hauptmann Werner Thierfelder. These Me 262s had an overall coat of RLM 76 light blue and a red nose number. This photo shows Me 262 S1 W.Nr. 130006 VI+AF Red 1 in flight.


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33. EKdo. 262's aircraft were delivered in the spring and early summer 1944. They are distinguished by the RLM 74/75 grays as upper camouflage over the RLM 76 undercoat and undersides, including on the forward engine cowls. Being a "proving" unit the individual aircraft numeral was placed on the nose. Being also a training and conversion unit, they carried a yellow band on the rear fuselage behind the cockpit as III./EJG 2 did later.


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34. Another photo of the same line-up of aircraft. Note that at this time (summer 1944), W.Nr. 170071 White 2 had the top gun port sealed and had only one white gun rectangle , thus making it a Me 262 A-2a.


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35. A still from a training film made in 1944 shows a member of the ground crew using the pull rope of the Riedel starter to activate the Junkers Jumo 109-004 turbojet. In this photo, Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 170041 White 10 has two white gun rectangles and lacks the ETC-503 bomb rack seen in other photos.


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36. Me 262 S12 W.Nr. 130017 White 4 was the aircraft that Ltn. Alfred Schreiber was flying on 26 July 1944, the day he claimed the first aerial victory by a Me 262.
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Old 1st December 2021, 13:21
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37. It is known for certain that this is a photograph of a Me 262 A-1a of Kommando Nowotny. On 8 November 1944, near Achmer, Lt. James W. Kenny of the 357th FG shot up W.Nr. 110404 White 7, causing Oblt. Franz Schall to bail out. Kenny then photographed the empty Me 262. These photos show the features of the kommando's aircraft: 1. very dark upper camouflage (including the forward nacelle cowls) whose demarcation with the RLM undersides is very low on the fuselage; 2. the individual aircraft numeral on the nose signifying a training or proving unit; and 3. the absence of the yellow band on the rear fuselage that indicates a unit is converting pilots to fly jets.


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38. Oblt. Franz Schall, staffelkapitan of 2./Kdo. Nowotny stands in front of his Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 110479 White 1 conversing with his crew chief. Because this aircraft was damaged on 28 October, Schall was flying White 7 on 8 November.


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39. Ofw. Helmut Baudach of 2./Kdo. Nowotny stands in front of what appears to be White 6.


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40. Me 262 A-1a W.Nr. 110389 White 2 was being flown by Ltn. Herbert Spangenberg of 1./Kdo. Nowotny out of Achmer on 6 November 1944, when after combat with a P-51 of 357th FG, he ran out of fuel and attempted a notlandung at the factory airfield of Weser Flugzeugwerke at Lehmwerder. He was fired at by German flak on approach and overshot, crashing into a shack causing 50 % damage. Note that the yellow band has been overpainted.


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41. Under sheer speculation, these may be White 11 and White 10 of Kommando Nowotny.
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