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Old 16th November 2021, 12:14
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Re: He-219 ”Uhu”s found at the end of the war

Karup/Grove (7 pcs total)
210903 SP+CR / G9+LP ok What is the source for G9+LP?
290060 CS+QG ok
290126 D5+BL ok
290202 GI+KQ / G9+KQ ok What is the source for G9+KQ?
310109 KO+HD / G9+VH (?) ok What is the source for G9+VH?
310189 KO+HS / D5+CL ok
310200 KZ+UF / D5+DL ok

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Old 16th November 2021, 12:50
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Re: He-219 ”Uhu”s found at the end of the war

Thanks for the further updates.
When you produce an updated list, could you please show the changes to the previous one? (maybe using red text like Junker has above?)
Otherwise we have to go through the entire list (yet again) to look for the changes.
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Old 16th November 2021, 17:40
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Re: He-219 ”Uhu”s found at the end of the war

Aircraft no.3 at Cheb/Eger = 3-digit-coded ‘188’. Can't be W.Nr. 310188, which was found at Fliegerhorst Westerland in 1945, while W.Nr. 190188 was lost in combat on the night of 3/4 June 1944 (Ferguson). Another option is W.Nr. 290188, which although appearing in Ferguson’s list of Werknummern and Stammkennzeichen is, according to him, possibly bogus.

Aircraft No.4 at Cheb/Eger = so far unidentified.

Eger was taken by elements of the 79th US Infantry Division. I've been trying for a long time to track down veterans who may have secured the airfield, which also became a holding area for German POWs for a while.
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Old 17th November 2021, 07:12
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Re: He-219 ”Uhu”s found at the end of the war

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What is the source for G9+LP?
What is the source for G9+KQ?
What is the source for G9+VH?

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210903 SP+CR /G9+LP (later FE-612)
G9+LP is listed in the below references:
- Francis Ferguson "The Heinkel He 219 - A Research Paper" (3rd Edition)
--- p84, note 55
--- also p100, comments for Stkz. SP+CR
--- also p108, He 219 losses for June 22

- Richard Franks "The Heinkel He 219 'Uhu' - A Detailed Guide to the Luftwaffe's Ultimate Nightfighter" (2nd Edition)
--- p16

290202 GI+KQ / G9+KQ (later FE-614)
G9+KQ is listed in the below reference:
- Marek Rys "Heinkel He 219 Uhu" (AJ-Press, Aircraft Monograph 21)
--- p48 (in reference to Roland Remp "Der Nachtjäger Heinkel He 219")

310109 KO+HD / G9+VH (later AM21)
G9+VH is listed in the below reference:
- Marek Rys "Heinkel He 219 Uhu" (AJ-Press, Aircraft Monograph 21)
--- p46
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Old 17th November 2021, 07:39
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Re: He-219 ”Uhu”s found at the end of the war

richdlc,

Yes, Cheb/Eger is a bit of a mystery. Any findings there are further complicated by the fact that it was a repair facility: markings depicted in photos might not be of the actual "parent" aircraft, as substitute parts could have been used - the same way as for the "AM43" found at Westerland, with one (or two?) replacement rudders marked with W.Nr. 310114 and 310215.
Is AM43 W.Nr. 310114 with a replacement rudder from 310215?
Or is AM43 actually 310215 with a replacement rudder from 310114?
Or is it an altogether different machine with two replacement rudders?

I am not certain 290188 is bogus - I have it listed as an A-2 with Stkz. GI+KL and marked G9+WL (of 3.NJG1), shot down 17-18/12'44 by a Mosquito (157 Sqn RAF) 2km SE of Sonsbeck, with German crew Lt.Jürgen Prietze & Uffz.Frithjof Haake killed.

There is another thing to consider regarding the ‘188’ marking: this might be a works number used at the repair facility and not the last three digits of the W.Nr.
In FIU Report 53 (regarding Schwechat) there is reference to documents concerning W.Nr. 420325 and 420326 - they are also refered to as internal works numbers 113 and 114, respectively.
Could this be the same for the Cheb/Eger ‘188’ - is this marking actually an internal works number?
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Old 17th November 2021, 08:48
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Re: He-219 ”Uhu”s found at the end of the war

210903 SP+CR /G9+LP (later FE-612)
G9+LP is listed in the below references:
- Francis Ferguson "The Heinkel He 219 - A Research Paper" (3rd Edition)
--- p84, note 55
--- also p100, comments for Stkz. SP+CR
--- also p108, He 219 losses for June 22
- Richard Franks "The Heinkel He 219 'Uhu' - A Detailed Guide to the Luftwaffe's Ultimate Nightfighter" (2nd Edition)
--- p16
Well they give no original documentation on G9+LP. It points to 6. Staffel NJG 1 wich did not have He 219.

290202 GI+KQ / G9+KQ (later FE-614)
G9+KQ is listed in the below reference:
- Marek Rys "Heinkel He 219 Uhu" (AJ-Press, Aircraft Monograph 21)
--- p48 (in reference to Roland Remp "Der Nachtjäger Heinkel He 219")
He just suppose G9+ has absolutely no documentation. +KQ is not a valid Vkz either.

310109 KO+HD / G9+VH (later AM21)
G9+VH is listed in the below reference:
- Marek Rys "Heinkel He 219 Uhu" (AJ-Press, Aircraft Monograph 21)
--- p46
Again no documentation as to G9+VH.

All He 219 delivered to I/NJG 3 were delivered with Skz. So it's rubbish to state the G9+ Vkz.
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Old 17th November 2021, 10:35
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Re: He-219 ”Uhu”s found at the end of the war

Junker, good points. Every little bit of information that can help correct errors and/or misunderstandings is most welcome.

So, now the list would be something like the below:

Schwechat (5 pcs total according to FIU Report 53)
190011 VO+BC damaged/destroyed (V11) (A/C (b) acc. to FIU Rep.53)
190062 RL+AB destroyed (possibly found elsewhere than at Schwechat?)
190068 RL+AH / VO+BC destroyed (V28) (A/C (e) acc. to FIU Rep.53)
190071 RL+AK destroyed (V18) (A/C (d), BL+AK acc. to FIU Rep.53)
190106 DV+DB destroyed (V31) (A/C (c) acc. to FIU Rep.53)
190193 BE+JF / G9+EK destroyed (V16, Jumo222) (A/C (f), BF+JF V18 acc. to FIU Rep.53)

Ludwigslust:
310190 KO+HT destroyed
310202 KZ+UH destroyed
310214 KZ+UT destroyed

Lechfeld (3 pcs total)
190104 RL+AW ok
190176 GU+BI ok
190179 GU+BL ok

Westerland/Sylt (43 pcs total)
190130 GU+BF ok
290117 ok
290123 G9+TH ok
290124 ok
310106 KO+HA ok
310112 KO+HG ok
310114 KO+HI ok
310182 KO+HL / G9+VH ok
310188 KO+HR ok
310208 KZ+UN ok
310215 ok
420331 G9+DB ok

Halle
310193 KO+HW damaged
xxxxxx 1L+Mx destroyed

Münster/Handorf
211116 G9+UL destroyed
211121 G9+DL destroyed
211124
290057 CS+QD destroyed
290059 CS+QF / G9+BH damaged
290199 GI+KN destroyed
290200 GI+KO / G9+CB destroyed

Paderborn
290004 G9+DH destroyed (confirmed TI Rep.A-384)

Soltau (6 pcs total)
310185 KO+HO destroyed

Hörsching
190060 PK+QJ ok

Karup/Grove (7 pcs total)
210903 SP+CR ok
290060 CS+QG ok
290126 D5+BL ok
290202 GI+KQ ok
310109 KO+HD ok
310189 KO+HS / D5+CL ok
310200 KZ+UF / D5+DL ok

Kastrup (1 pcs total)
210901 B4+AA ok

Eger/Cheb
190121 DV+DQ damaged
190223 BE+JU destroyed
xxxxxx ‘188’
xxxxxx


Münich-Riems
190113 DV+DI destroyed

Hildesheim
290112 damaged

Bindbach
xxxxxx xx+CL damaged

Unidentified:
1 (possibly 2) found at Husum 15/5’45

310316 found destroyed (where?)
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Old 18th November 2021, 03:20
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Re: He-219 ”Uhu”s found at the end of the war

621619 and 622328 are Ju 88 G-6
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Old 18th November 2021, 19:20
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From War Prizes by Phil Butler.


Air Ministry 20, He 219A (W Nr 290126) photo on page 81.

It was coded 'D5+BL' of I/NJG 3. Surrendered in Denmark at Grove... (pg 80)


AM 21 Heinkel He 219A-2 W Nr 310109
Surrendered at Grove, no code recorded. (pg 82)


AM 43 Heinkel He 219A-2 W Nr unknown
This aircraft was surrendered at Sylt, no code recorded. (pg 87)



AM 44 Heinkel 219A-2 W Nr 310106
Surrendered at Sylt, no code recorded.


Heinkel He 219A W Nr 210903 (later to become USA 8 and FE-612) at Grove... photo on page 157. Note: By prior agreement, aircraft recovered by the British but of interest to the U.S., would receive USA numbers prior to transfer.


USA 9 Heinkel He 219A-2 W Nr 290060
Coded 'CS+QG'. Surrendered at Grove. Later "FE-613'... (pg 190)


FE 614/T2-614 Heinkel He 219A W Nr 290202
Found at Grove. (pg 218)


Czechoslovakia acquired two but no details are given except "Heinkel He 219A night fighters (two used under the designation LB-79)" (page 289)
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