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Old 9th March 2011, 11:01
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Lost B-17 on 6 september 1943

Hi!
Looking for any information possible about a B-17 that was shot down on the 6th of september 1943 at 11.00 and crashed near Weiler ob Helfenstein, Germany.
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Old 9th March 2011, 16:24
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Re: Lost B-17 on 6 september 1943

Date-Type-Ser.#-Unit-Location-MACR


430906 b-17 42-5763 91 germany 514


430906 b-17 42-29540 91germany 515


430906 b-17 42-30163 306 germany 518


430906 b-17 42-5841 306 germany 519


430906 b-17 42-30300 95 germany 546


430906 b-17 42-30161 95 germany 547


430906 b-17 42-30402 100 germany 688


430906 b-17 42-30057 100 germany 689


430906 b-17 42-5890 92 germany 740


430906 b-17 42-30000 92 germany 741


430906 b-17 41-24507 384 germany 772


430906 b-17 42-3041 384 germany 773


430906 b-17 42-3455 384 germany 775


430906 b-17 42-5720 384 germany 776


430906 b-17 42-3434 305 germany 1342


430906 b-17 42-3289 388 germany 3066


430906 b-17 42-3293 388 germany 3113


430906 b-17 42-3378 388 germany 3114


430906 b-17 42-3425 388 germany 3115


430906 b-17 42-5942 388 germany 3121


430906 b-17 42-30201 388 germany 3124


430906 b-17 42-30222 388 germany 3129


430906 b-17 42-30234 388 germany 3132


430906 b-17 42-30478 388 germany 3136


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Old 9th March 2011, 16:32
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Re: Lost B-17 on 6 september 1943

Thank you. How do I read this chart? What do the different numbers mean?
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Old 9th March 2011, 16:48
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Re: Lost B-17 on 6 september 1943

first number is the date 1943 September 06.
second ist the airplane type B-17
third is the serial number 42-30478
fourth the country the plane is lost - germany
fifth ist the MACR number 3136 - they file where all known data off this plane are in.
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Old 9th March 2011, 16:55
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Re: Lost B-17 on 6 september 1943

42-3289 10.50 hrs dettingen
42-30335 Villingen
42-30161 crash place south germany
42-30300 10.20 hrs south of stuttgart
42-30201 near Geislingen
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Old 9th March 2011, 18:43
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Re: Lost B-17 on 6 september 1943

Thank you very much! Any chance of helping me recognise the plane in Weiler ob Helfenstein?
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Old 9th March 2011, 19:16
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Re: Lost B-17 on 6 september 1943

Where is Weiler - Helfenstein in relation to Stuttgart ?
what other towns near there?
There were 4 B - 17s crashed Stuttgart Area.
1 from 95th BG
3 from 388th BG
From time Ron Posted , # 42 - 3289 is a good possibility
Mike
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Old 9th March 2011, 20:51
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Re: Lost B-17 on 6 september 1943

Thank you Mike!
Weiler-Helfenstein is West South West of Stuttgart. How do I go about finding the unit and plane number?
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Old 9th March 2011, 21:59
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Re: Lost B-17 on 6 september 1943

The MACR for 42-3289 gives the crash location (according to the German KU-134) as near Dettingen an der Erms, 12 km NE of Reutlingen at 1050. Reutlingen is almost due south of Stuttgart. Weiler ob Helfenstein looks on the map to be at least 45 km ESE of Stuttgart. I am not sure that 42-3289 is the correct plane.

Note: Weiler ob Helfenstein is very close to Geislingen and there is a note above that 42-30201 went down near Geislingen. However, when I looked at the MACR for 42-30201, the crash location seems to be given as Voves, France so I am not sure what to make of that.
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Old 9th March 2011, 23:14
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Re: Lost B-17 on 6 september 1943

Thanks for the help and yes, you are right, it is ESE of Stuttgart, my mistake. Any possibility of viewing these records and documents online?
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