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Old 14th February 2005, 19:29
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Confirmation? 8 Gruppe 77 FG Heinz Ludemann 4/11/42

http://www.mts.net/~royb/112_photos_page_5.html

This Bf 109G-2/Trop is painted to represent Black 6 wk.no.10639 in service with 8 Gruppe 77 FG flown in support of Rommell's Afrika Korps by Lieutenant Heinz Ludeman in 1943. Restored to fly in 1991 by Ron Snaddon and his team it flew from Duxford for five years. German squadron records and pilot's diaries show that this 109G was damaged in a dog-fight by Flight Sergeant W D Brown, a Canadian of 112 Squadron near

Gambut,Cyrenaica (now Libya, "Western Desert" Brown 4 November 1942, (Ref Shark Squadron Pilot, Bert Horden, page 52-53), the pilot Lieutenant Heinz Ludemann, who although wounded managed to land in the desert. He got back to his Squadron but the plane was captured by the advancing 8th army. There where two browns in 112 squadron at this time this one was called for obvious reasons "Western Desert" Brown. LT Heintz Ludemann was shoot down and killed by 112 Squadron pilot Ray "Goose" Guess, RCAF J10277, on 10 March 1942.
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Old 14th February 2005, 20:25
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Confirmation?

Perhaps I am not reading your post correctly, but what are you asking confirmation of?
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Old 14th February 2005, 20:29
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Sorry what I am seeking is an indepent confirmation that this event happened on the dates mentioned, as stated ie German records for that day.

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Old 15th February 2005, 13:47
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WNr 10639...

...was lost by Ludeman on Nov 4, 1942 according to German records.
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Old 15th February 2005, 13:52
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Thanks John, that is the information I needed to collaberate what information I have.

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Old 22nd February 2005, 20:21
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Ludemann

Ludemann was flying 'black 6' during the incident that led to its capture, however it was not his machine, but that of Eduard Isken. This according tio a statement made by Isken in an interview in Jaegerblatt shortly beofre his death. BTW, the unit should be reported as 8./JG 77.

Bf 109G-2 10639 Lüdemann, Ltn. Heinz 5+ 8. JG 77 schwarze 6 + III gruppe badge; RLM 79 topsides 04-Nov-42 WIA in Luftkampf with enemy fighters. Good landing, captured intact on 11.11, restored in UK in 1991. Afrika Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13; Prien, JG 77, III, p.1323., p.1322 fotos; Jet & Prop 1/91 p8,9 foto Bir-el-Arca 100% F

Bf 109G-2 10472 Lüdemann, Ltn. Heinz 5+ 8. JG 77 25-Sep-42 Notlandung due to engine damage. Ostfront Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #9)-Vol.16; Prien, JG 77, II, p.1213. near Mga-Schum b F

Bf 109G-2 10819 Lüdemann, Ltn. Heinz 5+ 8. JG 77 schwarze 1 + 10-Mar-43 KIA in Luftkampf with P-40. Tunisia Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #9)-Vol.15; Prien, JG 77, III, p.1471 North of Ksar Rhilane (Pl.Qu. 94844) 100% F
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Old 22nd February 2005, 21:57
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Thanks Tim
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Old 23rd February 2005, 14:52
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NEW INFO!!!

New Prien Jagdverbande Vol.8 #2 gives the date and location of the 'black 6' crackup as 7.Nov.42 at Gambut.
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