Fw190G losses, 11 Jan 1944, Italy.

[Evgeny Velichko]

Hi gents!

Question:

Does anybody have info, what were the losses of II./SG4 on 11 January 1944?
According M.Holms page, total month combat losses of Gruppe were 7 Fw 190G.
Also, any details about each II./SG4 loss of that day will be much appreciated.

[Peter Kassak]

There should be (at least) one aircraft lost, on operational flight. No details available.
regards

[Evgeny Velichko]

Peter - I know only 1 loss on that day with ex-zerstorer pilot killed, and want to be sure - are there other losses?

Also, are there any other Fw190 non-schlacht (i.e. Jagd) units?

And the last - will be very interesting, who were those Spitfires?

[Peter Kassak]

Source does not mention any other II./SG 4 losses.
for other Fw 190 units, there were more...of course. They met 8.USAAF in the air
Tony Wood lists mentions as follows:
Air Defence of the Reich [RLV]: 11. January 1944

Unit Commander Luftkampf Claims KiA WiA 100-60% 60%

I./ZG 26 n.n. 5 B-17: 1 B-17 HSS: 1 Spitfire 6 4 6 5
II./ZG 26 Hptm. Tratt 3 B-17 2 3 2 3
III./JG 54 Hptm. Schnell 9 B-17: 2 P-51 2 - 3 1
I./JG 302 Hptm. Lewens 1 B-17 - 3 3 2
Jasta Erla Hptm. Laube - 1 - 1 1
I-III./NJG 5 Oberst Radusch 2 B-17: 3 B-17 HSS - 3 3 1
Sd.Kdo.OKL n.n. 3 B-17 - - - -

Stab/JG 1 Oberst Oesau - - - - -
I./JG 1 Hptm. Schnoor 4 B-17: 1 B-17 HSS - - 6 3
II./JG 1 Hptm. Hoeckner 10 B-17: 1 B-17 HSS: 1 e.V. 1 1 3 1
III./JG 1 Hptm. Eberle 1 B-17: 1 e.V. 2 P-47 1 - 1 -
Sturmst. 1 Hptm. Kornatzki 1 B-17 - - - -
10./JG 2 Hptm. Schenkbier 1 B-17: 2 Type unknown - - 1 -
I./JG 3 Maj. Quaet-Faslem 2 B-17 - - - -
I./JG 300 Hptm. Stamp 1 B-17 - - - -
I-IV./NJG 1 Obstlt. Streib 3 B-17 - - - -
I-III./NJG 2 Maj. Sayn-Wittgenstein - 2 - 1 1

Stab/JG 11 Obstlt. Graf - - 1 - -
I./JG 11 Hptm. Hermichen 1 B-17: 1 B-17 HSS - - - 1
II./JG 11 Hptm. Specht 10 B-17: 1 P-47 3 4 4 6
III./JG 11 Hptm. Hackl 8 B-17: 1 B-17 HSS 3 - 4 1
10./JG 11 Oblt. Grosser - - - - -
11./JG 11 Oblt. Christmann - - 1 1 1
Z-ErgGr. Hptm. Habicht KiA 1 B-17 - - - -
I-III./NJG 3 Oberst Lent 7 B-17 7 1 4 1

I./JG 26 Hptm. Borris 9 B-17 + others - - 2 -
II./JG 26 Maj. Gäth 1 B-17: 1 B-17 HSS: 1 e.V.: 1 P-47 - - 1 -
V./KG 2 Hptm. Heintz - 2 1 1 1

II./JG 27 Hptm. Schroer 1 B-17 HSS: 6 B-24: 2 B-24 HSS: 1 P-47 - - - -

I./ZG 76 n.n. 9 B-17 1 - 2 1
III./ZG 76 Hptm. Kiel 1 B-17 3 - 2 -
I-III./NJG 6 Maj. Schaffer - 2 - 1 -
Claims & Casualties Reichsluftverteidigung 11.1.44: - - 38 22 53 31

[Bruce Lander]

Hi,

I have note of Fw.190G-3 (160370) Ofw.Hans Peterburs KIA - LK Spitfire Near Aquino.
Possibly that claimed by F/O Blackburn of 145 Squadron.

Cheers

Bruce Lander

[Laurent Rizzotti]

II/SG 4 losses in January 1944:

_ one aircraft missing on the 3rd
_ one shot down by enemy aircraft on the 6th
_ one destroyed without enemy action on an operational flight on the 8th
_ one destroyed without enemy action on an operational flight on the 11th
_ one destroyed without enemy action on an operational flight on the 13th
_ one destroyed without enemy action on an operational flight on the 21st (and two other damaged, one by enemy action)
_ one shot down by enemy aircraft on the 22nd (and another damaged)
_ one shot down by enemy aircraft on the 23rd
_ one aircraft missing on the 24th
(_ one damaged without enemy action on an operational flight on the 26th)
_ one aircraft missing on the 28th
_ one destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight on the 30th

Total: 11 aircraft lost and 4 damaged

[Peter Kassak]

Ups sorry Evgeny, I overlooked the G in the FW 190 version

[RT]

Bruce seems right , Petersburs hans , hv to be the right guy he flew for Skg210 on 1941, exact location of his death is Tommaso b, NO Salle b, Salerno

Remi

[Evgeny Velichko]

THX Gents!

Any details about last aircombat of Ofw. Peterburs? So, he was the only loss of his regiment in that fight. Were there any escort fighters for their Fw190G JaBo?

Also - is it known, how many Fw190 were claimed by 145 Sqdn in that fight?

[Bruce Lander]

Hi,
2/JG4 lost 3- 109's on this date.
Bf.109G-6 (410147) Uffz.Manfred Ehrig WIA - LK Spitfire near OSA
and 2 Bf.109G-6's lost in collision Lt.Georg Matz & Uffz.Hans Claussen both killed near Sezze.(sorry no W.Nr's)
F/Sgt Newman of 145 Squadron claimed a 109 so it's possible that JG.4 were escorting II/SG4 on this occasion

Cheers

Bruce Lander