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13th September 2020, 12:00
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Re: Photos German Flying School
Clint
A golden opportunity to try your skills in identifying quite a few rather indifferent "doppeldeckers".  Isn't X5120, 5124 and 5126 the same photos by the way? Since the seller (again) has made huge efforts to help out (I hope you can at least sense my tongue in cheek) you simply must have a field day here!!  Joking aside, there are three photos, a little bit more interesting than the rest, actually showing ID numbers. One looks like an Albatros B.II, but the other two?? Cheers Stig 
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13th September 2020, 12:22
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Re: Photos German Flying School
Hi Stig,
Ever since I posted the links I've been trying to discover (without success) the unit operating the machines. The three aircraft No.27 ( X5137),No.29 (X5136) and No.26 (X5122) all have a distinctive form of numbering with some kind of script(?) below the No. Unfortunately my record keeping is dependent on Bestellnummer which doesn't help identify any aircraft marked in a like manner I've seen before, if any. Also I note No.29 has an unusual pattern of Cross on the lower upper wing. Have you seen either simialar numbers or a simialar cross previously? Regards, Clint
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13th September 2020, 13:12
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Re: Photos German Flying School
Sorry Clint
My knowledge regarding different types of crosses and when/where used is negligible. Somehow the photos feel "wartime", but I might be wrong there. If they are, then I wonder why no Bestellnummer are visible, but only these "school numbers"? Perhaps they are pre-war, but if so why crosses? Pre-war civil aircraft did not use any crosses as far as I know. Thinking a bit loud here, did the schools during the war order aircraft for themselves, outside the Bestellnummer system? Shaky ground this, if you ask me.... Cheers Stig
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#5
13th September 2020, 13:53
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Re: Photos German Flying School
Stig,
Well, I definitely don't have anything definitive.But this looks like the early war period as indicated by the fact that some at least of the machines have crosses. However, what strikes me as a possibility is that the machines cover a range of time including from just before the war, for the machines without crosses.I don't however, regard it as unusual for aircraft operated by company run Fliegerersatz Abteilungen not to have Bestellnummern. In fact I would say from photographic evidence that is fairly common. Given that there seems to be aircraft from a variety of manufacturers shown in the photos I would speculate that some aircraft must either have been ordered by the school itself or alternatively perhaps assigned centrally by the army(?).But in truth,I'm complely in the dark about how the company run Fliegerersatz Abteilungen received their machines when not built by themselves. Huge gaps in my knowledge I'm afraid. The only clue to location appears to be the reference to Hagenau on the rear of one of the photos. The nearest school,of which I'm aware, would be FEA 5 at Hannover.This did at least exist from early in the war, so may be a possibility. Regards, Clint
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13th September 2020, 14:00
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Re: Photos German Flying School
Thanks Clint
Yes, the second line units/aircraft etc are very tricky. Little (or nothing) remains and it certainly doesn't help when photo albums are plundered by "money-hunters" without any thoughts/passion about history what so ever.... Cheers Stig
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#7
14th September 2020, 14:16
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Re: Photos German Flying School
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Hagenau is probably in Alsace (now Haguenau), 25 km N of Strasbourg. The airfield was built lately (1917), and a Flugschule, depending of FEA 9 (Darmstadt) was operational in Hagenau. Local sources indicate that the Flugschule "Arthur Sasse", on behalf of the Deutscher Fliegerbund, was opened in May 1918 and was closed after the bombing of the airfield in September. If some elements may be of help... In the early years, the initial training was subcontracted to civiiian schools, who where more interested by the income and were not very motivated to put adequate flying abilities at the pupils. A known example is Gerd Fieseler who was soloed after only two or three flights with the instructor. Result : crashed at the next and spent months at the hospital. More advanced training was done at the Flugpark level or at the FEA. The only book I know who speaks of the training is "Die deutschen Luftstreitkräfte im ersten Weltkrieg", written by Niklaas Napp, not so easy to read. Regards Jean Schreiber
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