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Old 23rd January 2017, 15:52
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Re: Captured P-51B T9+PK

Tom Fraser, 4th FG, landed his P-51B-15 due to a coolant leak on D-Day. Only one that matches Lerche's account of flying to the site as LW guys fixed repair. He flew it out next day. QP-G 43-24825.
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What sub-type of P-51 43-12452 was please ?
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Old 23rd January 2017, 20:18
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What sub-type of P-51 43-12452 was please ?
http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/p51_8.html
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Old 23rd January 2017, 20:33
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Re: Captured P-51B T9+PK

Thank you for the link !
So : P-51B-1NA
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Old 23rd January 2017, 20:39
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Re: Captured P-51B T9+PK

I don't think that the 2 P-51s T9+CK were the same plane.
The silver one was P-51C-5NT 42-103458 captured unpainted (ref : Luftwaffe in Focus Spezial n°2 pp 37 & 38).
Tha camouflaged one was probably older, identity unknown.
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Re: Captured P-51B T9+PK

I agree, the first P-51B/C coded T9+CK was not 42-103458, as this 325th FG was lost on December 9,1944 and did not join Zirkus Rosarius until some time after this date.
It seems as though the first T9+CK was lost/damaged and the code letters were re-used.
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Re: Captured P-51B T9+PK

Two pics of P.51 B/C one with tail fin fillet one without from the old LEMB...

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Re: Captured P-51B T9+PK

The first P-51 captured by Germany was P-51B-15-NA 43-24825 QP-G with no DFF. It would have arrived at 4th FG in NMF sometime in late April, early May. It went down intact with puncture in coolant line near Rouen on D-Day and Lieutenant Tom Fraser was POW.

P-51C-5-NT 42-103458 received the DFF as a post production Field Modification coupled with Reverse Rudder Boost Tab. It was accepted by AAF on March 10, 1944 and reached 325th FG in May 1944. Downed on 12-10-44.
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Specifically P-51B-1-NA (#360 of 400)
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Re: Captured P-51B T9+PK

Actually, I am tending to believe that 43-12452 was possibly the first Merlin engine Mustang captured by the Luftwaffe. From your book "Angels,Bulldogs and dragons":
Engine blew...made a wheels down dead stick landing on a German airfield."
Since this took place on March 29,1944, it would have to qualify. Obviously, it was not flight ready by the time that 43-24825 landed on D-Day.

Re-engined by the Luftwaffe at some time, it was made flyable by ZIrkus Rosarius only to be abandoned at Goslar A/F.
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