JG 52 victories

[Nokose]

Nick, here are some of Maj. Hubert von Bonin's.

28 Sep 42 Boston (32) 15:15 44524
(Boston III 277 BAP Serz. Nikolay Ivanovich Aref'ev [KIA] Nizhniy Kurp)

29 Apr 43
LaGG-3 (58) & LaGG-3 (59) both 12:58 at 85144
Both Yak-1 from the 291 IAP not able to distinguish which pilots belonged to the aircraft shot down.

[Nick Hector]

Thanks Nokose,

Can you provide the names of the 291 IAP pilots?

Nick

[Nokose]

I have the names of the pilots but there were more then just these two shot down so it's not possible to match who shot down who in this dogfight.

[Nokose]

From Prien's JFV 12/II 08 Aug 1943
6. Fw. Hans Waldmann Boston (74) 18:21 7 km NW Krassnopawlowka
6. Fw. Heinz Sachsenberg Boston (30) 18:22 " "
5. Fw. Josef Rabiega Boston (12) 18:25 PlQu. 35 Ost/50649
" " " Boston (13) 18:33 PlQu. 35 Ost/ 60561
5. Uffz. Peter Duettmann Boston (11) 18:30 PlQu. 50683, 1 km W. of Nizacha

According to V. Gorbach's book on the Kursk air battle the 860 BAP was attacked after some of the 16 Bf 109 distracted the escort. They lost 4 Boston. Here is three pilots who went MIA with their crews.
Lt. Vasiliy Sergeevich Shishkin
Lt. Aleksey Mikhaylovich Konyukov
Lt. Aleksandr Ivanovich Makeev
I have no idea who was flying the fourth Boston.

[Nokose]

04 Aug 1943 Tomarovka region
6 Yak-7B 0f the 728 IAP (265 IAD) led by Kapt. Arseniy Vasil'evich Vorozheykin attacked a group of Ju 87 under escort of 8 Bf 109. Vorozheykin claimed to have shot down three Ju 87 (his 6, 7 and 8 personal). His group claimed to have damaged 3 more Ju 87 and 2 Bf 109. Ml. Lt. Ivan Emelyanovich Marya had a claim filed for him for shooting down a Bf 109. Marya was shot down and KIA. I don't know if any other Yaks were shot down. There were no Bf 109 shot down. As far as the JU 87 being shot down, I have no information.

The victor in this incident is the only one claiming at this time and location.
7./JG 52 Lt. Erich Hartmann LaGG-3 (52) 10:19 PlQu. 35 Ost/61391
7./JG 52 " " " LaGG-3 (53) 10:30 PlQu. 35 Ost/61331

On my first post on this thread I had found another Hartmann victory. I now know that U-2 was his #16 from JFV 12/II.

[Nokose]

From the air battle at Kursk on the 17 Jul43.

8./JG 52 Lt. Berthold Korts Pe-2 (68) 05:10 PlQu. 35 Ost/54751

This was a Pe-2 205 BAP unk who was flying the bomber.

[Nick Hector]

19.10.42. Guenther Rall claimed two I-16s just after 1300hrs (German time) near Elchotowo. It seems these were claimed against 88 IAP. At least one loss: Serzhant Viktor Illich Shakhov KIA

[Nokose]

On looking at the claims at El'khotovo which were his 96 and 97 victories, I found the name of the pilot St. Serzhant Viktor Il'ich Shakhov was KIA. The other I-16 appears to have survived in this case.

[Nick Hector]

It seems we agree on this one then. Just a slight overclaim on Rall's part.

[Dénes Bernád]

Why an overclaim? Rall (and other fighter pilots) did not claim shot down pilots, but rather aircraft (damaged beyond repair).