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Old 30th March 2018, 13:42
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M for Muster rather than V for Versuchs.
No, I think this might be in error. Muster means "Type".
M might indeed be Model(s), non-flying specimen, intended for windtunnel and structual trails - Just the text says so!
Old prototypes (like V5 here) also qualified. Gluing tests come to mind.
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Old 30th March 2018, 14:13
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I'd understood (although I might be misremembering) that M was more of an Austrian designation system as opposed to V.

No problem with being proven wrong.
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Old 30th March 2018, 14:57
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Not everything written on Lw 35-45 is correct. One factor might be current trend to pubish without finishing the research.
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Old 30th March 2018, 15:17
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Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

M stands for Muster, as Steve thought.
The German meaning of Muster has different meaning, not only type, but also sample etc.
There is a "8-162 Muster-Uebersicht" from Heinkel on NASM Reel 2809 Frame 652 (Original in German Museum Munich), which gives the Muster-number from M1 up to M31 and the c/n, together with some other information's.
Why they changed the designation from V to M numbers is not clear.
I guess, that was done, because of the war situation, there was no time for a normal prototype testing and the testing was done during the production.
The results from this testing were incorporated into the series production.
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Old 30th March 2018, 15:24
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Not everything written on Lw 35-45 is correct. One factor might be current trend to pubish without finishing the research.
As someone who does his fair share of digging at the coalface, both these points are a given. The difficulty comes in that in many ways your research is never finished as it is a constant quest to unearth new information, however, people do need to apply a cut off point for their writing. That's just the way it is.

For instance I continue to try and discover new material on helicopter development in Germany between 1930 and 1945. Since publishing my book, I have become aware of further archival sources which can possibly help me add to my knowledge and I am currently in the middle of a process to try and tick these off my list. This process will take me approximately 5 years because I want to get it right and feel that I have left no stone unturned.
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Old 30th March 2018, 16:08
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Not everything written on Lw 35-45 is correct. One factor might be current trend to pubish without finishing the research.
Quite interesting sentence!
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You ought to say this to Prien, Lorant, O'Connel, Mombeeck, Ferdinando, Hitchkock ... Und so weiter
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Old 30th March 2018, 17:12
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Steve; Will try find reference again. Thousands of pages to look at, again. Else apologize.
Stand corrected, see below.

ouidjat: Know this be true in case of Medcalf, unfortunately ... und so weiter.

Dirk: sent mail
Stand corrected, according to Dirk.

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Old 30th March 2018, 21:30
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Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

album with several captured German a/c:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Britis...19.m1438.l2649

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The seller was not only so nice to sent me better scans but also to give me permission to post them here:
Me 410:


Me 262:




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Old 30th March 2018, 22:35
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Thank you once again, Rudi.

In your last picture, Me 262 WNr. 500443 shows clearly how the "5" was altered to a "6". Note the larger roundels and RAF fin flashes used at Schleswig.

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Old 30th March 2018, 23:23
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Received another photo from the seller of the album in #938:
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