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Old 17th May 2009, 16:43
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Hans Müller, captured North Africa, ca. May 1943

Bit of a longshot, perhaps, but I'm hoping someone may be able to identify and share the details of the capture of a Luftwaffe Ace by the name of Hans Müller, who was shot down in North Africa (Algeria? Tunisia?) in ca. April-May 1943, and escorted back to the UK for interrogation per Dakota 28-29 May 1943. Apparently, two Wehrmacht Generals were escorted aboard the same flight, and their identity would also be appreciated, if known, please.

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Old 17th May 2009, 16:56
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Re: Hans Müller, captured North Africa, ca. May 1943

I have searched our database and can find no Hans M üller that was a fighter ace (or any other kind of ace!). I tried variations on the name but apparently there's no one that fits your criteria.

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Old 17th May 2009, 17:06
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Re: Hans Müller, captured North Africa, ca. May 1943

Thanks Doug.

Bother... Is there any other Müller (sans Hans) that fits the criteria? I have the name from the RAF escort officer on that flight.

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Re: Hans Müller, captured North Africa, ca. May 1943

Probably this one
Lt. Hans Moller ,Staffelkapitan 1./JG-53, was shot down on March 25,1943 while strafing. He was captured. One report has three Bf-109 strafing near Beja and one was hit in the engine by a Bofors shell,catching fire. The pilot baled out from 500 ft. Listed with 15 victories.
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Re: Hans Müller, captured North Africa, ca. May 1943

Khaki is correct

According to Shores it seems the British for a while thought they had captured Karl-Friedrich Müller. Instead it was the already mentioned Hans Möller. If we add the teutonic two dots over the o the mistake is even more understandable. The British, to this day I might add, have no idea how to pronounce anything with rings and dots on top....

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Old 18th May 2009, 21:06
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Re: Hans Müller, captured North Africa, ca. May 1943

Hi Stig

Bullocks!

Have a nice one!

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Bullocks!
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Re: Hans Müller, captured North Africa, ca. May 1943

Gents

Thank you very much for your responses - and humour!

Übrigens, Brian hat auch recht! Couldn't have put it better myself!

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Re: Hans Müller, captured North Africa, ca. May 1943

Hello all, thought I'd bring this thread back to the top.
I'm currently in the process of acquiring this BF109 tail panel, brought home from Tunisia by a US Army 34th Division Veteran. The pilot survived and was taken prisoner. I've only just begun researching but so far I've come up with 2 possible pilots.

2 March 1943, Hptm. Adolf Warmbold of 2.(H)/14 was shot down at 17:10 in combat with British fighters, and taken prisoner near Souk el Khemis. He was flying Bf 109 F-4 Werk Nummer 7517 marked '6 +

25 March 1943, Lt. Hans Möller of 1./J.G. 53 was shot down by anti-aircraft fire north of Beja, and crashed on the road to Abiod. He was taken prisoner. He had been flying Bf 109 G-4 Werk Nummer 15 073, marked 'Black 5 + -'.

As you can see on the label attached to the panel, "near Bizerte" is the location claimed by the vet. Möller's shot down location north of Beja would make it closer to Bizerte than Warmbold's location.

Are they any other possible choices of pilots in the records? Also, can the model of BF109 be determined from looking at the panel? Lastly, it has a bullet hole through it, can the calibre of shell be identified?

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