info about Me323 crashed near Pesaro 1942

[Plutone]

On december 16 1942 a Me323 Gigant with a crew of ten crashed near Pesaro at Gabicce Monte (Italy, Adriatic sea), probably due to fog.
I am searching any information about this fact.
Thanks
Toni

[obdl3945]

Toni...

I have only one entry on a list giving that date, although I concede the list is incomplete.

Details are:

W.Nr. 1108 Coded: RD + QH Unit: I./K.G.z.b.V. 323 Destroyed 100% on 16.12.42 near Crimmiek, probably after accidental contact with the ground, crew killed. Source: Genst.Gen.Qu.6.Abt.


I'm not sure this is your machine as I have no idea where Crimmiek is. Doesn't sound particualrly Italian to me, but then I'm Scottish and it doesn't sound particularly Scottish either!

Kindest regards,

Paul

[Brian Bines]

See this old post:-

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/archive/index.php?t-20141.html

Regards

Brian Bines

[Plutone]

I am searching any information about the crash of a Me323 Gigant occurred south of Rimini, near Pesaro (Gabicce Monte), Adriatic coast, Italy, on 16 december 1942
Thanks and regards

Toni

[Brian Bines]

Hi Toni,

Does not the link I put on your previous Thread answer your question with crash location given as 50km. south of Rimini. Number 1108 was the only one lost that day as far as I could see,

Regards

Brian Bines

[John Beaman]

Toni:

Looks like you entered another thread asking the same question as you one previously.

To save space, please do not enter double threads.

[Plutone]

Originally Posted by Brian Bines

Hi Toni,

Does not the link I put on your previous Thread answer your question with crash location given as 50km. south of Rimini. Number 1108 was the only one lost that day as far as I could see,

Regards

Brian Bines

thanks Brian

[Plutone]

Originally Posted by John Beaman

Toni:

Looks like you entered another thread asking the same question as you one previously.

To save space, please do not enter double threads.

will provide
sorry for the double thread, the second (this) is a refuse. I will proceed with the former and this can be deleted.

thanks

[Plutone]

I have found the following text in italian in
http://www.archeologidellaria.org/in...p?topic=2176.0
The place of the crash is near Gabicce Monte, north of Pesaro, south of Rimini. Maybe Crimmiek was a german military identification name of the place on the coast? Nothing similar in our language or on the territory (I am from Gabicce!). Some witnesses are cited.
regards
Toni
Me 323 Gigant a Vallugola (PU)

« il: Ottobre 14, 2012, 12:29:40 »

• Citazione

Il 16 dicembre 1942 un Me 323 Gigant in volo da nord, presumibilmente a causa della nebbia come ci è stato riferito da chi quel giorno assistette alla tragedia, urtò la sommità della collina denominata La Montagnola (quota 196 slm), sulla scogliera che da Gabicce Monte giunge sino a Pesaro. L’esamotore rovinò nella valletta sottostante incendiandosi. Nell’incidente i dieci membri dell’equipaggio a bordo perirono; la vicenda suscitò grande eco e commozione, come si evince dalla cronaca dei funerali riportata sul Corriere dell’Adriatico del 20 dicembre successivo. Elenchiamo di seguito i nomi dei deceduti e l’ubicazione delle tombe al FutaPass:
Block 6 Grab 211 16.12.1942 50 Km Sud RIMINI 1./KG.z.b.V. 323, Me 323, 1108 FF Feldwebel Marcks Lothar 06.10.1907
Block 6 Grab 212 16.12.1942 50 Km Sud RIMINI 1./KG.z.b.V. 323, Me 323, 1108 BM Feldwebel Geppert Gerhard 20.12.1915
Block 6 Grab 213 16.12.1942 50 Km Sud RIMINI 1./KG.z.b.V. 323, Me 323, 1108 BF Feldwebel Rahe Theo 24.02.1920
Block 6 Grab 214 16.12.1942 50 Km Sud RIMINI 1./KG.z.b.V. 323, Me 323, 1108 FF Leutnant Hoffmann Wilhelm 17.12.1916
Block 6 Grab 337 16.12.1942 50 Km Sud RIMINI 1./KG.z.b.V. 323, Me 323, 1108 BS Obergef Müller Anton 09.01.1921
Block 6 Grab 338 16.12.1942 50 Km Sud RIMINI 1./KG.z.b.V. 323, Me 323, 1108 BS Obergef Walter Johann 20.02.1919
Block 6 Grab 339 16.12.1942 50 Km Sud RIMINI 1./KG.z.b.V. 323, Me 323, 1108 BM Gef Hüttel Johann 18.08.1922
Block 6 Grab 340 16.12.1942 50 Km Sud RIMINI 1./KG.z.b.V. 323, Me 323, 1108 BS Flieger Lentz Theobald 17.07.1923
Block 6 Grab 420 16.12.1942 50 Km Sud RIMINI 1./KG.z.b.V. 323, Me 323, 1108 BS Feldwebel Büttner Willi 22.04.1900
Tra i caduti vi è anche BS Ogef Schereter ma non risulta al Futa Pass.
Nella giornata del 13 ottobre 2012 siamo riusciti a localizzare il luogo dove l’aliante terminò la sua corsa, attualmente un campo da golf (sic) del Golf Club Vallugola. Molto gentilmente il responsabile Sig. Roberto Pompei ci ha permesso di effettuare le nostre ricerche con il Md e così in mezzo a palline e bandierine abbiamo fatto qualche buco (richiuso con molta attenzione) e trovato la conferma del crash. E’ evidente che un incidente del genere unito alla particolarità del velivolo non permette di ritrovare molto, però qualcosa è tornato alla luce dopo settant'anni e ci ha ripagato delle nostre fatiche.
Vogliamo ringraziare di cuore i Sig.ri Palmetti Umberto e Baldelli Bruno che ci hanno permesso di ritrovare i luoghi, Lucci Lucio del http://www.aviazionemarche.org/ per lo stralcio del Corriere dell’Adriatico, il golf Club Vallugola nella persona del Sig. Roberto Pompei ed infine il ns. prezioso collaboratore Daniele Celli di Rimini per l’aiuto…
Postiamo alcune immagini. I bossoli sono 7,92 tedeschi marcati 39 e 42 (probabile parte del carico) un po’ di alluminio fuso, due pezzi consistenti di alluminio avio e un frammento di quello che ci sembra un’armonica a bocca.

English translation:
On 16 December 1942 a Me 323 Gigant flying north, presumably because of the fog as we have been told by those who witnessed the tragedy that day, hit the top of the hill called La Montagnola (height of 196 meters above sea level), on the cliff from Gabicce Monte come up to Pesaro. The esamotore ruined caught fire in the valley below. In the accident the ten crew members on board were killed, and the story aroused great eco and emotion, as evidenced by the record of the funeral of the Adriatic Courier reported on 20 December. Here are the names of the deceased and the location of the graves FutaPass:
Grab Block 6 211 12/16/1942 50 Km South RIMINI 1./KG.zbV 323, Me 323, 1108 FF Feldwebel Marcks Lothar 06.10.1907
Grab Block 6 212 12/16/1942 50 Km South RIMINI 1./KG.zbV 323, Me 323, 1108 BM Geppert Feldwebel Gerhard 20.12.1915
Grab Block 6 213 12/16/1942 50 Km South RIMINI 1./KG.zbV 323, Me 323, 1108 BF Feldwebel Rahe Theo 24.02.1920
Grab Block 6 214 12/16/1942 50 Km South RIMINI 1./KG.zbV 323, Me 323, 1108 FF Leutnant Wilhelm Hoffmann 17.12.1916
Grab Block 6 337 12/16/1942 50 Km South RIMINI 1./KG.zbV 323, Me 323, 1108 BS Obergef Anton Müller 09.01.1921
Grab Block 6 338 12/16/1942 50 Km South RIMINI 1./KG.zbV 323, Me 323, 1108 BS Obergef Walter Johann 20.02.1919
Grab Block 6 339 12/16/1942 50 Km South RIMINI 1./KG.zbV 323, Me 323, 1108 BM Gef Hüttel Johann 18.08.1922
Grab Block 6 340 12/16/1942 50 Km South RIMINI 1./KG.zbV 323, Me 323, 1108 BS Lentz Theobald Flieger 17.07.1923
Grab Block 6 420 12/16/1942 50 Km South RIMINI 1./KG.zbV 323, Me 323, 1108 BS Büttner Feldwebel Willi 22.04.1900
Among the fallen there is also BS Ogef Schereter but does not appear to Futa Pass.
On the day of October 13, 2012 we were able to locate the place where the glider ended its run, now a golf course (sic) of the Golf Club Vallugola. Very kindly manager, Mr. Roberto Pompei has allowed us to do a research with Md, and so in the midst of balls and flags we made some hole (folded carefully) and found the confirmation of the crash. It 'clear that such an accident combined with the characteristic of the aircraft makes it impossible to find much, but something has come to light after seventy years, and has paid off of our labors.
We want to thank Messrs. Palmetti Umberto and Bruno Baldelli that allowed us to find the places, Lucci Lucio of http://www.aviazionemarche.org/ for the extract of the Courier Adriatic, golf club Vallugola in person Mr Roberto Pompei and finally our. valuable contributor Daniel Celli Rimini for the help ...
'll Post some pictures. The cases are 7.92 Germans marked 39 and 42 (probably part of the load) a bit 'of cast aluminum, two-piece consisting of aluminum aviation and a fragment of what seems a harmonica.