KG.4 He 111 codes

[HGabor]

Hi Folks, do you know the FULL letter codes of the following KG.4 He 111 losses in 1945:

162438 on January 01, 1945
700014 on January 19 1945
700662 on January 22, 1945
700821 on January 26, 1945
161524 on January 31, 1945
700885 on February 12, 1945

Many thanks,
Gabor

[RT]

162438 on January 01, 1945...
700014 on January 19 1945 5J+BA but for a crash on 3./03/44 not sure it always wear same code on 19/01/45..
700662 on January 22, 1945 no code but despite a 100 % loss on 22.jan.45, it is still flying with TGr.30 on febr.45
700821 on January 26, 1945
161524 on January 31, 1945
700885 on February 12, 1945

Gabor if you hv your usual add-ons on these events , pls feel free ..

Rémi

[Rottler]

Hello Gabor,

here are some entries in the Gen.Qu. loss returns unfortunately without codes:
3 Feb 1945 item 26: 26.1. I./KG 4 no Feindflug, Ort: bei Preßburg, Ursache: Absturz nach Motorstörung, He 111 H-20 700821, damage 100%. B Obgfr Effenburger verletzt, übrige Besatzung unverletzt.
16 Feb 1945 item 52: 22.1. III./KG 4 Feindflug, Ort: Planquadrat 87221, Ursache: nach Notlandung gesprengt, He 111 H-20 700662, damage 100%.
In contradiction to this 9 Mar 1945 item 112: 25.2. TGr 30 Feindflug, Ort: Flugplatz Hailfingen, Tiefangriff, He 111 H-20 700662, damage 10%.
2 Mar 1945 item 34: 31.1. I./KG 4 no Feindflug, Ursache: Motorstörung, He 111 H-16 161524, damage 25%.
5 Mar 1945 item 30: 12.2. II./KG 4 Feindflug, Ort: Budapest, Ursache: Flakbeschuß, He 111 H-20 700885, damage 60%.

Regards
Leo

[HGabor]

Thanks Rémi,
Appreciate it. Sure, by time I can add some details to the losses and there are a few which are not identified yet.

Eg. on January 8, 1945 soviet flak unit (2 Ukr. Fr., 1181 flak. reg., 4th battery) shot down a Ju 52 from Zugló(-E) district of Budapest at 4:35 local. (Pest-E). Plane caught fire, dropped cargo without parachutes before crashing in flames in downtown Budapest, west of the guns.

On January 20, 1945 soviet 1614 ap PVO downed a He 111 over Zugliget, (Budapest-W) at 19:40 local. Plane crashed in searchlight of 1st battery at Budaörs-SE. Probably He 111 WNr.701132.

Second He 111 crashed at Budakeszi-Zugliget (Budapest-W), 5-6 km NE from 1st battery of 1654 ap PVO at 18:47 local. (Searchlights followed it from SW to NE.)

Any idea on the identity of these planes?

Identified plane on January 21/22, 1945 was KG.4 He 111, WNr.7997 (Fw. Heinrich Blaschek crew) which was downed at Karpfenstein Street in Budapest, VIII. district (Now called: Karácsony Sándor Street) by 2nd Ukr. fr., 38 zenad, 1712 zenap. Soviet guns fired 104 37mm shells to bring down the plane. Interestingly the battle ended in Pest (East side of the Danube river) on January 18, 1945, so the plane was hit over Buda (West side of the Danube river) and fell over to the Pest side 3-4 days later.

Thanks,
Gabor

[HGabor]

Thanks Leo, excellent details.
Gabor

[RT]

On 6 jan. an Ju52 was down 100 % in Budapest, 9.TG3, no code only crew given
Edelmann alfred fw f t
Fredrichs martin fw b v
Siebert rudolf oge bf v
Ulbrich erich fw bw t
On 7.jan. an other Ju52 down 90 % in Budapest, III.TG3 no code only crew detailled

Edelmann alfred fw f t
Ulbricht erich fw bm t
So the same of the 6.th
On 8.th nd 9.th no losses reported
On 20.th only the 701132 is reported.
But on 21st qs you noted, is reported /thks Matti for the accurate place/
8 III KG4 F Budapest Kerepesi Friedhof Abst. FLak HE111H-11 7997 5J+OS 100 %
Rémi,
NB many thks for the new details

[HGabor]

Few years ago we have found -among many other stuff- a live, 37 mm flak shell. (I put a AA battery and a fired 23 mm IL-2 ammo beside it to scale.) Similar 37 mm shells brought down the He 111 on January 21/22, 1945 discussed previously. (Certainly the authorities were later contacted for proper disposal.)

Gabor