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JG1 on 27 December 1944
Please,
what were the JG1 casualties on 27 December 1944? Thank you. Phil. |
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Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
Hello Phil.
the J.G. 1 lost 15 a/c on these day. Are you interested in specific ? Three of it in the Dinand/Vielsalm area. One POW and two MIA. Rgds, René |
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Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
Dinant (Belgium)
ClinA-78 |
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Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
Bonjour,
René and ClinA-78 :thank you for your assistance. 15 losses !? That was a very important air battle. Studying the story of JG 103 and JG 105 in France (above all in Châteauroux) 1943-1944, I focus on the front line life of the pilots who trained there. For the 27 December 1944 air battle : I would like to know who was the victims of LT Elmer N. Fiery (364th FG) who claimed 2 Fw 190 destroyed and one damaged in Frankfurt area, the air combat starting at 5000. …. probably Uffz. Uffz. Helmuth Riehl ? and … ? Any information would be greatly appreciated ! Phil. |
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Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
Bonjour
Haupt.Hans Ehlers shot down(K) :Berenborn (187 km by road of Frankfurt) Fw.Herbert Mehl shot down (K)inant Oblt.Eduard Millers (P)inant Lt.Johannes Birnbaum (K)inant Uffz.Adolf Schiller (P):Acht near Mayen Lt.Gottffried Just (K)inant Uffz.Ernst-Adolf Schaumbergurg (W):Behndorf near Koblenz Ofhr.Gerhard Stiemer (W):Todenfeld/Rheinbach Fw.Wolf Oswald (K)inant Oblt.Walter Porsch (K)inant Uffz.Heinz Borreck (K):Niederkassel Lt.Richard Forster (K)inant No Name inant No Nameinant No Nameinant Gefr.Emil Franzke (K):Platz Plantlunne 5/JG1 Fw.Albrecht Kirschner (W):Platz Plantlunne Uffz.Helmut Riehl (W):Bocholt Bocholt in Germany or in Belgium ? Total=18 losses Very difficult to say who shot down who. Good Luck Michel |
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Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
Excuse me for the icons on Dinant,I don't known the BAD manipulation that I made!!!!
Encore désolé Michel |
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Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
You could always use the "edit" button at the bottom right of your post.
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Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
Michel,
I just tried to research a good English word for the translation of the French expression « bouche bée » … « mouth agape » ? « beyond words » ? Whatever ! Your assistance is very precious, very important for me. I understand that – it is common – such air battle – is very difficult to. To compare carefully each victory and loss reports. Situation changed so fast … Michel, Each of your information is a very good track ! So I have to know more also on Allied side. How can I acknowledge you ! I do appreciate such icons which are symbolics of the difficulty of this study ! So Bocholt ? … Thank you very much indeed ! Phil. |
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Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
Beware with the matching claim vs loss, as such as the rough location given (ex : Dinant), always with a grain of salt.
Bocholt most probably in Germany. Best regards ClinA-78 |
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Re: JG1 on 27 December 1944
Some add./corr.
Hptm. Hans Ehlers - Bereborn, 13 km NE Daun Fw. Herbert Mehl - Adenau area Uffz. Adolf Schiller - Hohe Acht near Mayen Lt. Gottffried Just - Adenau area Uffz. Ernst-Adolf Schaumburg Fw. Wolf Oswald - 100 m W Adenau Oblt. Walter Pörsch - Adenau area Lt. Richard Förster Gefr. Emil Franzke - Fl.Pl. Plantlünne Fw. Albrecht Kirschner - dito Kaczmarek |
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