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Old 21st January 2023, 09:30
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Good morning Gentlemen,

did the JG z.b.V. claim anything ?

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Old 22nd January 2023, 09:47
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Hi Marcel

Thank you for your reply interest and correction regarding Wirtz/Wurtz, I will amend my file.

This is totally what I have on Luftbeo:-

14th October 1943 3./Luft.Beo B-17 Lt Ludwig Wurtz 20km SE Schweinfurt 1700 hrs 6500 metres.
1st December 1943 LBST 7 Halifax( can't read name or rank)2115 hrs
20th December 1943 3./Luft.Beo Lancaster Lt Ludwig Wurtz raum Frankfurt-am-Main 2015 hrs 5200 metres
20th December 1943 3./Luft.Beo Lancaster Lt Ludwig Wurtz raum Kuhl 2030 hrs 5400 metres.
24th February 1944 LBST 7 Halifax Ofw Paul Karsten 20km NNE Stuttgart 2256 hrs 6000 metres.
6th March 18944 2./Luft.Beo Oblt "König" 1417 hrs 400 metres.
15th March 1944 LBST 7 Lancaster Ofw "Kellermann" over the sea 2258 hrs.
28th April 1944 LBST 7 Lancaster Hptm Ernst Wallner 0119 hrs..
29th April 1944 Luft.Beo B-17(Can't read name or rank) 1239 hrs.
14th June 1944 LBST 7 Wellington Hptm Ernst Wallner München/Innsbruck 0020 hrs.
17th June 1944 LBST 2 "Viermot" Lt Paul Fehre 0212 hrs.
17th June 1944 LBST 2 "Viermot" Hugo Fuetscher Rotterdam 0208 hrs 4000 metres.
21st June 1944 LBST 7 B-24 Lt Achim Woeste raum Arno 1242 hrs 3100 metres.
21st June 1944 1./Luft.Beo Uffz Schulz 1145 hrs 2000 metres v.n.e-a.s.m.
4th October 1944 Luft.Beo.Kaatsch Auster Lt Bell 3km SW Charwas 0950 hrs.

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Re: Total number of claims for each Jagdgeschwader

What exactly did the Luftbeobachtungsstaffeln do (purpose)?
They all seem to spring out of the NJG, but why were they formed in the first place?
They were all disbanded after a year or less, so obviously not very successful and all seems to have
gone back into the NJG system.

Anyone with more info?

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What exactly did the Luftbeobachtungsstaffeln do (purpose)?

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They were supposed to shadow a bomber stream and release flares to mark its track so the night fighters could close in.
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Old 22nd January 2023, 14:32
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Thanks (again) Nick

That was a bit surprising. Why invent a new unit nomenclature when they simply could have added
a Staffel to the relevant NJG?

How did these units operate? Separately or were they in fact subordinated a kind of parent NJG?

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Stig,

This may help -- https://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk/inde...achterstaffeln
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Old 22nd January 2023, 17:36
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Thanks Andy (and Larry!)

Yes it helped a lot even if the pertinent questions were not answered.
Perhaps we will never know them really. I still think they should have been formed straight away
within the NJG system where they in the end ended up...

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Good evening Johannes and Co,

EJG1 scored more kills than I thought.
Did anybody achieve 5+ kills in that unit ?

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Hi Michael

I will check my Geschwader file. But by memory and not included in then Eberhard von Boremski was reputed to have made sixteen claims with this unit, but being during 1945 they would never have been confirmed, and I have so far found no evidence of them.

During 1945 all manor of pilots were returned to combat with various units, often they were previous wounded pilots no longer fit for action, sometimes training instructors.

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Hi Michael

Only have four names to claims. Two for Gerhard Hoffmann on 7th March 1945 his 128th-129th claims, and two for Pfeiifer his 1st-2nd.

Thing is the KBT papers give details but not names unless the pilot has thirty or more claims.

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