3 B-17 G /18.03.1944

[GrafWolf]

Hallo!

On 18.03.1944 the USAAF lost 3 B-17 near the mountain Bussen in
Upper Swabia.
The Serial-Nr. are:
42-38032 near Andelfingen 48°08´28´´N-9°24´20´´O
42-37832 near Erbstetten 48°16´21´´N-9°32´28´´O
42-31966 near Hailtingen 48°08´16´´N-9°33´10´´O

Which german pilots claimed this victories?
Is it possible, that a flight teacher from JG 106 shut down one
of these machines? (42-31966?)

Thank you for your efforts!

Grüsse aus Oberschwaben,

Wolfgang

[Laurent Rizzotti]

According to the list of German crash reports compiled by the USAAF after the war (http://www.fold3.com/image/251/38650414/), the Germans recorded that:

42-31966 crashed at 1455 hrs (KU 1244)
42-38032 crashed at 1500 hrs (KU 1241)
42-37832 crashed at 1530 hrs (KU 1257)

Here is the list of German claims as given by Tony Wood's files:
18.03.44 Hptm. Kurt Bühligen Stab II./JG 2 B-24  10 km. S.S.W. Forges: 4.000 m. 13.21 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.16
18.03.44 Ltn. Ekkehard Tichy: 21 9./JG 3 P-51  N.W. Stuttgart: 6.000 m. 13.42 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.421
18.03.44 Ofw. Langbahn 1./ZG 101 P-38  südl. Taunheim: tiefst. 14.00 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.1
18.03.44 Ltn. Jürgen Hoerschelmann: 13 Stab III./JG 3 B-17  i.Raum z. Bodensee: 8.000 m. 14.40 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.94
18.03.44 Fw. Mannetstetter 12./JG 2 B-17  S.W. - W. Ulm: 6.000 m. 14.50 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.13
18.03.44 Hptm. Herbert Huppertz Stab III./JG 2 B-17  S.W. - W. Ulm: 6.000 m. 14.50 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.72
18.03.44 Ltn. Horst Nitz 11./JG 2 B-17  04 Ost / 9963: 6.000 m. [Reims] 14.52 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.27
18.03.44 Ofw. Erich Scheyda: 19 3./JG 26 B-17  CU-4: 5.000 m. [Münsingen W.Ulm] 14.55 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.81
18.03.44 Fhj.Fw. Hanke 3./JG 11 B-24  GQ-89: 5.000 m. 14.58 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: ASM
18.03.44 Fw. Norbert Schuecking: 3 1./JG 11 B-24  04 Ost N/DR-2 E.Freiburg, 5.000 m. 15.00 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.12
18.03.44 Ltn. Hans Schrangl: 2 Stab I./JG 11 B-24  04 Ost N/DQ-8/9 Raum Freiburg 5.500 m. 15.00 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: ASM
18.03.44 Hptm. Herbert Huppertz Stab III./JG 2 P-51  S.W. to W. Ulm: 4.000 m. 15.02 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.62
18.03.44 Fw. Alwin Doppler: 18 2./JG 11 B-24  04 Ost N/CR-DR N.Freiburg, 4.800 m. 15.04 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.22
18.03.44 Ofw. Leibig: 1 6./JG 53 B-17  südl. Sigmaringen:4.500 m. 15.05 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.127
18.03.44 Ofw. Erwin Laskowski: 27 8./JG 11 B-24  N.E. Freiburg: 6.000 m. 15.05 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: ASM
18.03.44 Uffz. Lohmeyer: 1 8./JG 11 B-24  N.E. Freiburg: 6.000 m. 15.05 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: ASM
18.03.44 Fw. Born: 5 9./JG 11 B-24  DR-DS: 5.000 m. [Triberg-Rottweil] 15.05 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: ASM
18.03.44 Ofw. Erwin Laskowski: 28 8./JG 11 B-24  östw. Freiburg: 6.000 m. 15.07 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: ASM
18.03.44 Obfhr. Buschmann: 1 Stab/JG 11 B-24  DR: 4.600 m. [area Treiburg-St. Georgen] 15.08 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.3
18.03.44 Fw. Karl Kampe: 7 5./JG 27 B-24  ostw. Freiburg: 5.000 m. 15.08 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.120
18.03.44 Obfhr. Pehleman: 1 3./JG 11 B-24  04 Ost N/DQ Raum Freiburg 4.800 m. 15.08 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.22
18.03.44 Fw. Wiemann: 1 3./JG 11 B-24  DQ: 4.800 m. [Freiburg] 15.10 Film C. 2025/I VNE: ASM
18.03.44 Fw. Alwin Doppler: 19 2./JG 11 B-24  CQ-DQ: 4.800 m. [Lahr-Emmendingen] 15.10 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.23
18.03.44 Fhj.Fw. Hanke: 8 3./JG 11 B-24  04 Ost N/DQ-8/9 Raum Freiburg 5.000 m. 15.12 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.16
18.03.44 Uffz. Süss II./JG 2 B-24  CQ-18: 4.000 m. [S.W. Strasbourg] 15.13 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.52
18.03.44 Uffz. Ratzer II./JG 2 B-24  westl. Strasbourg: 3.500-4.000 m. 15.15 Film C. 2025/I VNE: ASM
18.03.44 Ltn. Franz Lackner 5./JG 2 B-24  CQ-7: 4.200 m. 15.15 Film C. 2025/I VNE: ASM
18.03.44 Obfhr. Dreizehner: 5 1./JG 11 B-24  DQ-3: 5.000 M. [Schweighausen] 15.15 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.13
18.03.44 Ltn. Helmut Koschack 5./JG 2 B-24  CQ-27: 4.000 m. [Erstein S. Strasbourg] 15.15 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.53
18.03.44 Obfhr: Gert Budnowski 5./JG 2 P-51  UU-QA-QQ-QA: 5.000 m. [Hohenlower] 15.15 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.
18.03.44 Hptm. Anton Hackl: 137 Stab III./JG 11 B-24  DQ-DP: 6.000 m. 15.15 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: ASM
18.03.44 Uffz. Gebhard Wildensteiner 5./JG 2 B-24  nördl. Strasbourg: 4.000 m. 15.16 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.131
18.03.44 Uffz. Gebhard Wildensteiner 5./JG 2 B-24  20 km. S.W. Strasbourg: 4.000 m. 15.17 Film C. 2025/I VNE: ASM
18.03.44 Ltn. Paul Müngersdorf 5./JG 2 B-17  Raum Strasbourg: 4.000 m. 15.20 Film C. 2025/I VNE: ASM
18.03.44 Ltn. Broo 2./JG 106 P-38  südl. Strasbourg: 5.000 m. 15.20 Film C. 2025/I VNE: ASM
18.03.44 Fw. Erich Kolodzie: 12 9./JG 54 B-17  CS-4: 5.000 m. [Sülz] 15.20 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.205
18.03.44 Ltn. Eugen Ludwig Zweigart 8./JG 54 B-17  CQ-6: 5.000 m. [Lahr-Biberach] 15.20 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.209
18.03.44 Fw. Heinz Gosemann: 18 8./JG 3 B-17  10 km. nördl. Tübingen: 4.500 m. 15.25 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.238
18.03.44 Ltn. Raimund Koch: e.V. 8./JG 3 B-17 e.V.  20 km. W. Rottweil: 4.500 m. 15.35 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.238

Supplemental Claims from Sources:
18.03.44 Fw. Norbert Schuecking: 4 I./JG 11 B-24.  04 Ost N/DQ N.E. Freiburg 4.800 m. - Reference: JG 11 List f. 1204
18.03.44 Hptm. Anton Hackl: 138 Stab III./JG 11 B-24  - - Reference: JG 11 List f. 1204
18.03.44 Hptm. Anton Hackl: 139 Stab III./JG 11 B-24  - - Reference: JG 11 List f. 1204
18.03.44 Ofw. Keil: 9 9./JG 11 B-24  - - Reference: JG 11 List f. 1204
18.03.44 Ltn. Karlheinz Kapp: 7 4./JG 27 P-38  S.E. Ulm - Reference: JG 27 List f.
18.03.44 Ltn. Eberhard Schade: 6./JG 27 P-38  S.E. Ulm - Reference: JG 27 List f.
18.03.44 Fw. Hans-Eberhard Blume: 3 4./JG 27 P-38  S.E. Ulm - Reference: JG 27 List f.
18.03.44 Obfhr. Adolf Oberhofer: 1 6./JG 27 B-17  Leipheim [Bayern] E. Ulm - Reference: JG 27 List f.
18.03.44 Ltn. Karl Paashaus: 18 * 5./JG 53 P-38  - - Reference: JG 53 List f.
18.03.44 Hptm. Hermann Staiger: 45 12./JG 26 B-17  Colmar - Reference: DLC JG 26 f.234

Please note that all the claims of the last category have no time. The more recent Jadgverbande books by Prien have not reached 1944 yet, but by comparing them and Tony Wood in 1943 most of the "Supplemental Claims from Sources" have been discarded, but not all.

So here is the data, good luck for matching them together.

[GrafWolf]

Hallo Laurent!

Thank you very much!
Have a nice christmas time!!

Herzliche Grüsse aus Altshausen,

Wolfgang

[Frans A]

Laurant,
A few Christian names.

Fw. Hermann Mannetstetter
Fw. Heinz Hanke
Fw. Heinz Born
Ofhr. Hans-Eberhard Pehlemann
Fw. G:unther Wiemann
Ofhr. Gerhard Dreizehner
Lt. Karl Broo
Ofw. Georg Keil
Frans A