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Old 21st February 2007, 20:13
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15th Air Force Me 262 aerial claims?

Is there anyway of finding out what they were?

For both bomber crews and fighter outfits of the 15th?

Also, does anyone have any figures for overall USAAF Me 262s claimed destroyed in aerial combat?

Thank you.
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Old 21st February 2007, 20:25
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Re: 15th Air Force Me 262 aerial claims?

Locate a copy of William N Hess: German Jets Versus the USAAF. It has all USAAF air-to-air claims against the German jets. (8th, 9th, 15th; I don't think there were any by 12th or 1st Provisional).

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Old 21st February 2007, 22:03
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Re: 15th Air Force Me 262 aerial claims?

Frank is correct: a well done book by Bill Hess and definitely work trying to acquire or read.
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Old 26th February 2007, 20:08
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Re: 15th Air Force Me 262 aerial claims?

Frank, John,

thanks for this book recommendation.
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Old 28th February 2007, 19:29
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Re: 15th Air Force Me 262 aerial claims?

I recommend also the book The Me 262 Combat Diary from J E Foreman and Harvey. Although printed in a paper of poor quality, the DATA is amazing! Great work with all claims by USAF and RAF pilots and also all claims by Luftwaffe 262 pilots...a must reed!
I will try to compile all 15AF claims for you, but it will take sometime, ok? So, please wait a little..
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Old 28th February 2007, 19:44
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Re: 15th Air Force Me 262 aerial claims?

Hi, I am back...I knew I had something here...Hope this list will suit you...but I suggest the book wich is more detailed with interviews, data, werknummers, etc...
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RankFirst NameNameJet KillsTotal Ww2SourcesCountryUnitsDeathNoteMajDonald HarlowBOCHKAY215F. OlynykUSA357FG/363FSP-51 ace, ETO, 1944-45.CaptWinfield H.BROWN23AFHRAUSA82FS/78FGSSgtLincoln F.BROYHILL22USA840BS/483BGB-17 tail gunner, 1945.CaptGordon BryanCOMPTON26F. OlynykUSA351FS/353FGP-47D, P-51D, ETO, 1943-45.CaptDonald MalcomCUMMINGS27F. OlynykUSA17FBS/27FBG, 523FS/27FG, 38FS/55FGA-36, Italy 43; P-51D ace, ETO 45.1stLtUrban Leonard 'Ben'DREW26F. OlynykUSA375FS/361FG, 413FS/414FGP-51 ace, ETO, 1944. Pacific 1945.CaptRobert S.FIFIELD23AFHRAUSA363FS/357FGSLdrAnthony Frederick OwenGAZE215C.Shores & Wil. Australia610Sq,616Sq,64Sq,129Sq,66Sq,41SqSpitfire ace. Motorsport after the war.CaptNiles C.GREER23AFHRAUSA504FS/339FG1LtHuie H. JrLAMB23AFHRAUSA82FS/78FG1LtKeith R.MCGINNIS22AFHRAUSA38FS/55FG1LtHilton O.THOMPSON22AFHRAUSA434FS/479FGSgtEdward S.TYSKIEWICZ22C.Watry-D.HallUSA323BGB-26 top turret gunner, ETO, 44-45.FLtGeorge WallaceVARLEY24C. ShoresGreat Britain79Sq, 247Sq, MSFU, 222SqGladiator,MSFU,Spitfire,Tempest,40-44.WCdrJohn BasilWRAY22C. ShoresGreat Britain53Sq, 25Sq, 137Sq, 122WgTempest jet killer.CaptRobert WilsonABERNATHY15F. OlynykUSA353FG/350FSP-47, P-51, ETO, 1944-45.1stLtDudley Moore 'Dixie'AMOSS16F. OlynykUSA38FS/55FGP-51D ace, ETO, 1945. POW.1LtStephen C.ANANIAN11AFHRAUSA505FS/339FG1LtMillard O.ANDERSON12AFHRAUSA38FS/55FG1LtRobert H.ANDERSON11AFHRAUSA82FS/78FGFLtRichard JosephAUDET111C.Shores & C.WilliamsCanada421Sq, 411Sq03/03/1945SpitfireIX, Belgium, 1944-45. KIA.CaptWilliam T. JrBALES13AFHRAUSA406FS, 371FG1LtSanborn N. JrBALL12AFHRAUSA62FS/56FGFLtPatrick MarcelBANGERTER19C.ShoresGreat Britain610Sq, 350(Belg)Sq08/10/1999CaptHarold T.BARNABY14AFHRAUSA83FS/78FGLtRobert E.BARNHART12AFHRAUSA360FS/356FGLtVernon N.BARTO12AFHRAUSA504FS/339FG1LtWendell W.BEATY11AFHRAUSA358FS/355FG1LtCarroll W.BENNETT11AFHRAUSA504FS/339FGLtColWayne K. 'Blick'BLICKENSTAFF110F. OlynykUSA350FS/353FGP-47, P-51, ETO, 1943-45.MajKaare Dagfinn HanstenBOLSTAD12C. ShoresNorway332Sq03/04/1945Spitfire IX, Europe 44-45. KIA.MajGeorge EugeneBOSTWICK18F. Olynyk, AFHRAUSA62FS/56FG, 63FS/56FGP-47 ace, ETO, 1944-45.2LtWalter E.BOURQUE12AFHRAUSA82FS/78FG1LtPaul N.BOWLES11AFHRAUSA363FS/357FG2LtCharles V.BRANTLEY11AFHRAUSA100FS/332FGP-51, MTO, 1945.FORobert DuffBREMNER111C.ShoresNew Zelande486SqCaptJohn K.BROWN13AFHRAUSA55FS/20FG1LtRoscoe C.BROWN12AFHRAUSA100FS/332FGP-51, MTO, 1945.CaptDonald Septimus 'Don'BRYAN115F. Olynyk, AFHRAUSA352FG/328FSP-47, P-51, ETO, 1944-45.1LtJohn C.CAMPBELL11AFHRAUSA503FS/339FG1LtJohnnie L.CARTER14AFHRAUSA363FS/357FS1LtMarvin H.CASTLEBERRY11AFHRAUSA2AD ScoutLtColGeorge FerdinandCEULEERS111F. OlynykUSA383FS/364FGP-38, P-51D, ETO, 1944-45.2LtHarry M.CHAPMAN11AFHRAUSA376FS/361FGFODonald FrancisCHURCH13C. ShoresCanada401SqSpitfire IX, 1944-45.1LtJack W.CLARK13AFHRAUSA350FS/353FGCaptRobert W.CLARK11AFHRAUSA10FS/50FG1LtBillyCLEMMONS14AFHRAUSA38FS/55FGF/ORobert WaltonCOLE125C. ShoresGreat Britain274Sq, 3Sq1LtWayne L.COLEMAN14AFHRAUSA82FS/78FG1LtWilmer W.COLLINS11AFHRAUSA336FS/4FGSLdrWilliam Charles 'Bud'CONNEL15C. ShoresCanada112(RCAF)Sq,32Sq,1(RCAF)Sq,126Sq,249Sq ,401Sq MajRichard E.CONNER15AFHRAUSA82FSETO 1944.CaptHarry R.COREY11AFHRAUSA505FS/339FG1LtOliver T.COWAN11AFHRAUSA388FS/365FGFLtPeterCOWELL14C. ShoresGreat Britain41SqSptitfire, 1943, 1945.FLtNeill DudleyCOX15C. ShoresGreat Britain614Sq, 39Sq, 56SqMajNiven KendallCRANFILL15F. OlynykUSA368FS/359FGP-51D ace, ETO, 1944-45.2LtJohn M.CREAMER11AFHRAUSA335FS/4FG1LtRobert C.CROKER11AFHRAUSA504FS/339FG2LtEdwin H. JrCROSTHWAIT11AFHRAUSA63FS/56FGLtManford O. JrCROY13AFHRAUSA82FS/78FG2LtJohn W. JrCUDD11AFHRAUSA77FS/20FG1LtJohn W. IIICUNNICK12AFHRAUSA38FS/55FGColWilliam AllenDANIEL15F. OlynykUSA307FS & 308FS/31FGP-51B, P-51D, ETO, 1944-45.FLtRobert MonroeDAVENPORT15C.Shores & C.WilliamsUSA401SqSpitfire IX ace, ETO, 1944.FORalphDELGADO11W.N.HessUSA354FG1LtRobertDELO ACH11AFHRAUSA338FS/55FGHenry 'Herman the German'DIETZ11USA34BS/17BG (gunner)B-26 waist gunner.CaptWilliam JeffersonDILLARD16F. OlynykUSA307FS & 308FS/31FGP-51 ace, Central Europe, 1944-45.2LtWalter T.DROZD11AFHRAUSA77FSLtColEarl D.DUNCAN12AFHRAUSA487FS, 328FS/352FG1LtRaymond A.DYER11AFHRAUSA334FS/4FG1LtHarry L.EDWARDS12AFHRAUSA486FS/352FG1LtWillard G.ERFKAMP13AFHRAUSA385FS/364FGSLdrHedley Joseph 'Snooks'EVERARD16C.Shores & C.WilliamsCanada17Sq, 417Sq, 401SqCaptKirke B.EVERSON12AFHRAUSA504FS/339FGCaptJohn C.FAHRINGER14AFHRAUSA63FS/56FG1LtVernon D.FEIN12AFHRAUSA397FS/368FG1stLtErnest Charles 'Feeb'FIEBELKORN110F. OlynykUSA77FS/20FG; 4FS/51FIG06/07/1950P-51D, ETO, 1944. F-82, Korea, 1950.KIA.CaptJohn C.FITCH11AFHRAUSA335FS/4FG1LtDavid B.FOX12AFHRAUSA391FS/366FGMajRobert William 'Father'FOY115F. OlynykUSA363FS/357FG, 357FG25/03/1950P-51B, P-51D ace, ETO, 1944-45.FOAlexander HughFRASER13C. ShoresCanada439SqTyphoon, 1945.1LtHarold H.FREDERICK11AFHRAUSA336FS/4FGFLtJohn WilbornGARLAND14C. ShoresCanada127Sq, 80Sq, 3SqTempest, 44-45. POW.1LtWayne C.GATLIN11AFHRAUSA360FS/356FG2LtWilliam T. JrGERBE13AFHRAUSA486FS/352FGMajEdward B.GILLER13AFHRAUSA343FS/55FGMajFred Wedell 'Freddie'GLOVER111F. OlynykUSA336FS/4FG07/07/1956P-51B, P-51D, ETO, 1944. KIFA.CaptWalter L.GOFF11AFHRAUSA383FS/364FG1stLtNorman Dixon 'Norm'GOULD15R.F.Toliver & T.ConstableUSA62FS/56FGP-47 ace, ETO, 1944-45.1LtWalter R.GROCE14AFHRAUSA63FS/56FGCaptClayton KellyGROSS16F. OlynykUSA355FS/354FGP-51B & D ace, ETO, 1944-45.1LtRobert J.GUGGEMOS11AFHRAUSA369FS/359FG2LtJohn B.GUY11AFHRAUSA383FS/364FG1LtBenjamin I. IIIHALL11AFHRAUSA52FG1LtJohn W.HAUN12AFHRAUSA316FS/324FG2LtRobert C.HAVIGHURST11AFHRAUSA504FS/339FG1LtEdward R.HAYDON11AFHRAUSA364FS/357FGLtColJack W. JrHAYES11AFHRAUSA357FGCaptJohn K.HOLLINS11AFHRAUSA79FS/20FGCaptVerne E.HOOKER12AFHRAUSA435FS/479FG1LtRobert W.HOYLE11AFHRAUSA402FS/370FG1LtJames C.HURLEY11AFHRAUSA328FS/352FG1LtRobert E.IRION11AFHRAUSA505FS/339FGCaptArthur Ferdinand 'Art'JEFFREY114F. OlynykUSA434FS/479FGP-38, P-51D & K, ETO, 1944-45.MajRalph F.JOHNSON11AFHRAUSA319FS/325FG1stLtCyril William 'Cy' JrJONES16F. OlynykUSA370FS/359FG12/09/1944P-51D ace, ETO, 1944. KIA (Flak).1LtAndrew N.KANDIS11AFHRAUSA316FS/324FG1stLtDale ErnestKARGER18F. OlynykUSA364FS/357FGP-51D ace, ETO, 1944-45.1LtForrest M.KEENE11AFHRAUSA308FS/31FG1LtMichael J.KENNEDY11AFHRAUSA334FS/4FG1LtJames W.KENNEY11AFHRAUSA362FS/357FGFSgtAndréKICQ13C. ShoresBelgium350SqSpitfire, 1944-45; jet killer.2LtJohn A.KIRK14AFHRAUSA83FS/78FGLtWilliam F.KISSEL11W.N.HessUSA364FG1LtWalter J.KONANTZ13AFHRAUSA338FS/55FGLtColJohn DaveLANDERS115F. OlynykUSA9FS/49FG, 38FS/55FG, 357FG, 78FGP-40, Darwin 42; P-38, P-51, ETO 44-45.1LtEarl R.LANE12AFHRAUSA100FS/332FGP-51, MTO, 1945.1LtBilly E.LANGOHR11AFHRAUSA504FS/339FG1LtKenneth A.LASHBROOK13AFHRAUSA338FS/55FG1LtWarren S.LEAR12AFHRAUSA62FS/56FG1LtRaymond D.LEONARD11AFHRAUSA308FS/31FGCaptRaymond Henry 'Ray'LITTGE111F. OlynykUSA487FS/352FG20/05/1949P-51D ace, ETO, 1944-45. KIFA.FLtJohnMACKAY MAHACHAK112C.Shores & C.WilliamsCanada401Sq; 51FIW USAFF-86, 1953.CaptJerry G.MAST12AFHRAUSA388FS/365FGCaptAnthonyMAURICE13AFHRAUSA375FS/361FGMajRichard G.MCAULIFFE14AFHRAUSA97FS, 328FS/352FG1LtEugene P.MCGLAUFLIN12AFHRAUSA308FS/31FGCaptIvan L.MCGUIRE14AFHRAUSA364FS/357FG2LtBruce D.MCMAHAN11AFHRAUSA350FS/353FG2LtJames P.MCMULLEN11AFHRAUSA364FS/357FG1LtDonald T.MENEGAY12AFHRAUSA38FS/55FGColJohn CharlesMEYER125F. OlynykUSA487FS/352FG; 4FIGP-47, P-51, ETO 43-45. F-86, Korea.CaptEdwin H.MILLER11AFHRAUSA83FS/78FG1LtPatrick L.MOORE12AFHRAUSA343FS/55FGWOAntoniMURKOWSKI17C. ShoresPoland316Sq, 309SqSpitfire, Mustang, 42-45.1LtEugeneMURPHY12AFHRAUSA385FS/364FGLtColJohn ByrdMURPHY19F. OlynykUSA11FS/343FG, 370FS/359FGP-40, Aleutians 42; P-47, P-51, ETO 44.1LtBilly J.MURRAY11AFHRAUSA351FS/353FGMajJosephMYERS15F. OlynykUSA38FS/55FG, 82FS/78FGP-38, P-47D, ETO, 1943-44.2LtWilliam H.MYERS12AFHRAUSA388FS/365FGMajLouis Herman 'Red Dog'NORLEY112AFHRAUSA336FS, 335FS & 334FS/4FGP-47, P-51B & D, ETO, 1943-45.2LtAlbert B.NORTH12AFHRAUSA77FS/20FG2LtJohn F.O'NEIL11AFHRAUSA38FS/55FG1LtCarroll W.OFSTHUN11AFHRAUSA363FS/357FG1LtLeonOLIVER12AFHRAUSA359FS/356FGCaptRoy W.ORNDORFF14AFHRAUSA383FS/364FG1stLtLloyd JamesOVERFIELD111F. OlynykUSA353FS/354FGP-51B & D ace, ETO, 1944-45.2LtJames E.PARKER12AFHRAUSA82FS/78FG1LtCharles C.PATTILLO11AFHRAUSA487FS/352FG1LtCarl G.PAYNE12AFHRAUSA334FS/4FG1LtEugene L.PEEL11AFHRAUSA82FS/78FGCaptDonald E.PENN12AFHRAUSA38FS/55FGCaptHerbert A.PHILO11AFHRAUSA522FS/27FGCaptDouglas J.PICK15AFHRAUSA384FSETO, 1944-45.2LtCharles D.PRICE12AFHRAUSA486FS/352FG1LtJoseph W.PRICHARD11AFHRAUSA487FS/352FG1LtWilliam J.QUINN12AFHRAUSA374FS/361FGFLtDaniel JosephREID12C. ShoresAustralia41SqSpitfire, 1945.2LtCarlo A.RICCI11AFHRAUSA487FS/352FG1LtElmer H.RIFFLE11AFHRAUSA357FS/355FG1LtJohn W.ROHRS11AFHRAUSA351FS/353FS1LtGeorge J.ROSEN11AFHRAUSA351FS/353FG1LtAllen A.ROSENBLUM13AFHRAUSA82FS/78FGMajEugene E.RYAN13AFHRAUSA343FS, 338FS/55FGCaptRobert F.SARGENT11AFHRAUSA504FS/339FG2LtRoy L.SCALES11AFHRAUSA308FS/31FG1LtKenneth J. JrSCOTT12AFHRAUSA376FS/361FGCaptTheodore W.SEDVERT13AFHRAUSA353FS/354FGLtColDale Everett JrSHAFER17F.Olynyk, AFHRAUSA309FS/31FG, 503FS/339FGSpitfire, Sicily 43; P-51D, ETO 44-45.2LtWalter J.SHARBO13AFHRAUSA62FS/56FGFLtClarence LyallSHAVER13C. ShoresCanada41Sq, 112Sq, 439SqKittyhawk, Tunisia; Typhoon, 1945. KIA.SSgtCecil E.SHELLABARGER11USA840BS/483BGB-17 ball-turret gunner, 1945.SLdrJohn BeanSHEPHERD120C.ShoresGreat Britain234Sq, 118Sq, 610Sq, 41SqFOAndrew LloydSINCLAIR14C. ShoresCanada401Sq, 185Sq, 401SqSpitfire, Channel, Sicily, Europe.LtJames T.SLOAN11USA361FGFOKeith AlexanderSMITH110C.ShoresNew Zelande486SqTempest Diver ace, 1944. POW.SLdrRoderick Illingworth A.SMITH114C.Shores & C.WilliamsCanada126Sq RAF, 412Sq, 401Sq RCAFCaptCharles H.SPENCER11AFHRAUSA354FS/355FGFOJames A.STEIGER12AFHRAUSA364FS/357FGCaptRichard W.STEVENS13AFHRAUSA384FS/364FG1LtRichard D.STEVENSON11AFHRAUSA402FS/370FG2LtMilton B.STUTZMAN11AFHRAUSA82FS/78FGSLdrHarvey NelsonSWEETMAN115Shores & Will.New Zelande485Sq, 486Sq, 3SqLtElmer A.TAYLOR12AFHRAUSA385FS/364FG1LtHaroldTENENBAUM14AFHRAUSA369FS/359FG2LtThomas V. JrTHAIN12AFHRAUSA84FS/78FG1LtMortimer J.THOMPSON11AFHRAUSA316FS/324FGCaptHarrison BruceTORDOFF15F. OlynykUSA352FS/353FGP-47D, P-51D, ETO, 1944-45.1LtJohn J.USIATYNSKI12AFHRAUSA367FS/358FGAlbert M.VAN EECKHOUT12S. BongeBelgium350SqSpitfire, N.Germany, 1944-45.FOReginald Stanley EdwardVERRAN13C. ShoresGreat Britain80SqTempest, 1944-45.CaptJack AlfredWARNER15F. OlynykUSA382FS/363FG, 356FS/354FGP-51D ace, ETO, 1945.PODesmond JohnWATKINS16C.ShoresGreat Britain350SqCaptCharles ElonWEAVER18F. 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Re: 15th Air Force Me 262 aerial claims?

Adriano :

Be careful with the term of "all Luftwaffe claims" as they are not all included for both JG 7 and Kommando Welter

I've been in contact over the last days with Alexandre on this issue of the 15th AF claims to JG 7 losses. and of course there is the question always of you shot down who
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Re: 15th Air Force Me 262 aerial claims?

Okay Erich!
You are correct! Me 262 claims were very hard to observe or confirm, specially against the Heavies. I just wished to express my apreciation for what Foreman and Harvey have done so far: a nice work and huge research.
Of course, I used the wrong term in English ( ALL ). I suppose they did check most of well known claims and DATA available to them ( Historians with access to this kind of information, Public Record Office, Bundesarchiv, ECPA, etc.. ). I will be more careful from now on!
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