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Old 27th March 2011, 14:43
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He111P-4 Stkz KG4 1940

Good morning, could anybody help with clues to the Stammkennzeichen
or factory codes of KG4 Heinkel 111P-4's within the production batch
Werke Nummer 2924 - 2938 or 2964 - 2972.
I believe these a/c were probably manufactured between March and April 1940.
Any help would be most appreciated.

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Old 29th March 2011, 11:55
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Re: He111P-4 Stkz KG4 1940

Can nobody help, however little they may have?

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Old 29th March 2011, 13:52
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Re: He111P-4 Stkz KG4 1940

2924 Possibly NA+IW

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Old 29th March 2011, 15:40
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Re: He111P-4 Stkz KG4 1940

Good afternoon Remi, thank you for your reply.
Yes i have this one also as a maybe!
Perhaps Norbert or Jim P could possibly help with any others?

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Old 29th March 2011, 19:38
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Re: He111P-4 Stkz KG4 1940

I have:
2922 - NA+IM
2927 - NA+IZ
2967 - VI+CO

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Old 30th March 2011, 02:43
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Re: He111P-4 Stkz KG4 1940

Hi Steve
I cannot gain access to my main He 111 W/Nrs & Stkz due to computer problems. However, I do have the following

He 111 - NA+HZ
He 111P - NA+IK to NA+IZ
He 111P - 2922 - NA+IU
He 111P - 2927 - NA+IZ
He 111 - VI+CF

This would seem to fit that the Stkz Prod.block from 2922/27 was NA+IU/IZ
This would indicate a possible Block of 2901/27 as NA+IA/IZ
Also NA+HZ is most likely to have been the preceding Stkz block, which would indicate P-2 series
Given the info supplied with what I have then the blocks seem to fit as
2901/27 - NA+IA/IZ
2928/52 - ??+?A/?Z
2953/67> - VI+CA/CO>
The P-2 series ran from 2871 to 2905.
From the info I have the P-4 only ran from 2906 to 3129. So it is possible that the Stkz block was from NA+IF/IZ. But without doc/foto connections this is my interpretation. Only from NA+IU/IZ is confirmed.
Possible VI+CA/CO> - 2953/67>
But I would like to point out that not all Prod blocks ran from A-Z and most were split to avoid Allied Intelligence in the re-construction of German Production series.

Can anybody else give confirmation plus add additional info to the missing Stkz block

Hope this helps

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Old 31st March 2011, 14:18
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Re: He111P-4 Stkz KG4 1940

Thank you Matti for your information, also Tom for your in depth overview of Stkz for the He111P production detail, which is of enormous help.
Apologies for for not responding sooner but i haven't had time to look at this in detail as of yet.

I would be curious to know the fate of the following a/c if anybody can oblige.

W.Nr 2927 and W.Nr 2967

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Old 31st March 2011, 17:35
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Werknummern 2927 + 2967

He 111 WNr.2927 of KGr.z.b.V. 5, coded NA+IZ Notlandung 23.March 1942 due to accidently striking the ground. Bm Uffz. Heinrich Mussmann KIA. Damaged 25%, later destroyed by own troops. Location: Belisthe-See


He 111P-4 WNr.2967 of I./KG 55, 26.July 1941, Damaged 40% by enemy fighters. Location: Shitomir

Sorry I haven't further details on this last one. I didn't respond earlier as many of the Werknummer range you inquired about were with KG 55, not KG 4.

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Old 1st April 2011, 19:01
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Re: He111P-4 Stkz KG4 1940

Many thanks for the loss detail Mr Morrison, its particularly helpful.

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Re: He111P-4 Stkz KG4 1940

Hi Steve,
correction on the the block for NA+IA to NA+IZ it starts at 2902 and goes to 2927.

He 111 P-4 2964 VI+CL lost 09 Sep 1940.

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