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Old 7th October 2017, 15:48
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Re: Top Bf 109 aces

Good afternoon Gentlemen,

the Bf 109 was a real multi-national fighter.
The top aces of
  • Germany (Erich Hartmann)
  • Finland (Ilmari Juutilainen)
  • Rumania (Alexandru Serbanescu)
  • Croatia (Mato Dukovac)
  • Slovakia (Jan Reznak)
  • Hungary (Dezsö Szentgyörgyi)
  • Bosnia (Safet Boskic)
  • and Slovenia (Albin Starc)
scored most or all of their kills in that aircraft, respectively.
I wonder if we can add Danish top ace Peter Horn.
Did he score his most kills in the Bf 109 or the Fw 190 ?

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Old 24th November 2017, 16:34
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Re: Top Bf 109 aces

I think that 33.090 Bf109's were built:
  1. 23.363 Bf109G's - top ace: Erich Hartmann
  2. 3.707 Bf109E's - top ace: Werner Mölders
  3. 3.278 Bf109F's - top ace: Gordon Gollob
  4. 1.597 Bf109K's - top ace: Günther Landt
  5. 647 Bf109D's - top ace: Walter Oesau & Otto Bertram & maybe Wilhelm Ensslen
  6. 350 Bf109B's - top ace: Harro Harder & Peter Boddem
  7. 70 Bf109T's - top ace: any ?
  8. 58 Bf109C's - top ace: Werner Mölders
  9. 20 Bf109A's - top ace: any ?
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Old 24th November 2017, 21:31
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Re: Top Bf 109 aces

and italian Hugo Drago of ANR?? no? top ace with bf.109

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Old 27th November 2017, 20:48
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Re: Top Bf 109 aces

Good evening Michel,

Drago flew the Bf 109 but he wasn't the top ace of his nation unlike the other eight guys of that list.

I've found an interesting candidate for the Bf 109T top ace rank: Alfred Jakobi
Does anybody how many kills he scored in that subtype ?

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Old 29th January 2018, 21:19
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Re: Top Bf 109 aces

Good evening,

in Le Fana de l'Aviation N°546 there's an article by Xavier Méal "La Luftwaffe rends les armes" that indicates on p24 that Erich Hartmann achieved his last kill in a Me109K-4.

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Re: Top Bf 109 aces

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in Le Fana de l'Aviation N°546 there's an article by Xavier Méal "La Luftwaffe rends les armes" that indicates on p24 that Erich Hartmann achieved his last kill in a Me109K-4.

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Now all you need to do is establish the source for that statement.
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Old 30th January 2018, 00:02
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Re: Top Bf 109 aces

I would not put Erich Hartmann to the top for sure. I can imagine that he wasn't even among the top 5 or 10. (I mean if you are interested in real victories, not just in old, fancy legends, or LW propaganda.) Old story, no time to go through it again.

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I would not put Erich Hartmann to the top for sure. I can imagine that he wasn't even among the top 5 or 10. (I mean if you are interested in real victories, not just in old, fancy legends, or LW propaganda.) Old story, no time to go through it again.

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Gabor,

Certainly a huge thanks from me for opening my eyes to that fact. As far as the destruction of REAL enemy aeroplanes is concerned, Hartmann is absolutely nothing special
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Now all you need to do is establish the source for that statement.
It would also be nice to have it proven that the victory was not just another overclaim
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Old 30th January 2018, 02:36
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Re: Top Bf 109 aces

Thanks Nick, you are welcome ;-))) I must add that I never stated that Hartmann did not hit those enemy aircrafts, what I say is that most of his official 'kills' were probably just damaged planes which cannot be verified from the soviet/allied losses at all. Hartmann openly talked about his tactics of diving on the enemy AC with full speed and opening fire just in the final moments. It is not hard to see that in such circumstances the actual crash in many cases could not be seen, only some hits on the opponent. I think Hartmann gave the most headache to the soviet ground crews patching up the damaged soviet planes after their missions. ;-))))

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