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Old 10th October 2019, 20:31
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Re: The famous 2N+HN stopped by trees...

Hi John,

Amiens is way off but I think only 1 photo was captioned as "Amiens"?

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Old 10th October 2019, 22:36
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Re: The famous 2N+HN stopped by trees...

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Hi John,

Amiens is way off but I think only 1 photo was captioned as "Amiens"?

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Hi Robert,
This is the photo, and reverse, which references, not Amiens, but the Amiens road - the road to Amiens. I don't know how long that road is, so I cannot add more.






You probably know this photo.
From the photo, it seems clear that the starboard wing leading edge whacked into the side of the tree and then the rest of the Bf 110 somehow swung round to end up with both wheels in the ditch. OR, it has been moved to PUT both wheels in the ditch after the collision in order to make recovery easier. I just don't know, but the tree on the left of the photo had been hit side-on, not front-on from the damage shown on it...
EDIT: Right click on each photo and then select 'view image' to see them in a smaller size that will fit your screen.
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https://www.ebay.de/itm/323936197372...wiyNpy8tfUiYSE


Second photo give a rather good view of the surrounding area and countryside.


With this view, can anyone finally provide an exact location for this crash?

2 and 3 pic note that i think it is bus stop. Look at the poles. So must be a secondary road leading to/from Amiens. ( D road secondary road) because of the farmland. And a little town quite nearby
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2 and 3 pic note that i think it is bus stop. Look at the poles. So must be a secondary road leading to/from Amiens. ( D road secondary road) because of the farmland. And a little town quite nearby

So we go back to my first suggestion: The loss of 27/5/1940 (Bei Avesnes) and the road from Avesnes to Amiens. The A26 didn't exist, hence the E44 via Guise.
The Red/white posts being road markers used to signal the road during snowy weather.
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Why if marking road are the poles road behind trees? Notice board.


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So we go back to my first suggestion: The loss of 27/5/1940 (Bei Avesnes) and the road from Avesnes to Amiens. The A26 didn't exist, hence the E44 via Guise.
The Red/white posts being road markers used to signal the road during snowy weather.
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Take a look at post #7 on page 1. The Flugbuch scans. The right-hand side scan. The entry says 'zwischen baümen', which is exactly what can be seen in the numerous photos of this crash...
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Take a look at post #7 on page 1. The Flugbuch scans. The right-hand side scan. The entry says 'zwischen baümen', which is exactly what can be seen in the numerous photos of this crash...

And? Is there any contradiction ?

Now, if you think it's on a road to Amiens in Belgium ... Good luck!
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And? Is there any contradiction ?

Now, if you think it's on a road to Amiens in Belgium ... Good luck!

Any contradiction to what? How many Bf 110s ploughed into trees?



And I didn't say it was definitely on the road to Amiens, I pointed out that that was what was written on the reverse of one of the photos. As has been pointed out in this thread, several locations have been alluded to on the reverse of photos of this crash.
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Of course they did not land there. Logbook shows something like: St. Juan (misspelled).
Photos of this plane were captioned as: St. Vith, La Roche-en-Ardenne, Marche-en-Famenne and Dinant.

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To pick up on what Robert says above. I went into maps for La Roche -en-Ardennes and found this:


The 'Bois' adjacent to La Roche-en-Ardenne is titled 'Bois de Saint-Jean'.


This would appear to tally with 'La Roche-en-Ardenne' on the reverse of a photo, and 'St. Juan' in the Flugbuch (an understandable spelling error given his unfamiliarity with name places in the area).
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Old 11th October 2019, 21:27
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Re: The famous 2N+HN stopped by trees...

Hi,

on 27.5.40 two missions were flown by II./ZG1 from Charleville-Mezieres to Dunkirk so I don`t see any link to Amiens.
John I think you have nailed it down.

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