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Re: JG 77 victories
This is follow up to the post of for 23 July 1942. On the airfield at Taganrog were the III/JG 77 and I/JG 53. The III/JG 77 left that field on the 25 July and I/JG 53 was there from 24-26 July 1942. This doesn’t have any actual aerial victories but I read about German pilots claiming aerial victories of aircraft moving on the airfield with their wheels down. So I found this report to be interesting.
TsAMO. F. 216 IAD (22046), Op. 1, D. 6, L. 80 (vkh 0655) Intelligence Report # 62 Staff 216 IAD Shkurinskaya 24.07.1942 At 10:30 and 11:00 sequentially up to 2 groups of Me-109 assaulted our airfield (Soviet) at Kuleshovka, 1 Yak-1 was burned on landing and in the parking area set 1 Il-2 on fire, but 1 LaGG-3 was extinguished. At 05:40 3 Yak-1 of 247 IAP in the area of Bataysk at 3400 m engaged with 6 Me-109 and 5 Me-110. No results. At 05:48 3 Yak-1 of 247 IAP above the Kuleshovka airfield at 2200 m met in an air battle with 4 Me-109. Results 1 Yak-1 shot down and 1 Yak-1 missing. Since many of these German pilots had no location for these victories it makes it hard to determine. Then there was the possibility of no witness to the kill. I found many Russian aircraft in the Army Group North sector for 1941 and some of 1942 being reported as shot down by Me-109. On checking claims there was nothing. |
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Re: JG 77 victories
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Since you are describing two different combats by 247IAP (06.0x) and 14.32) in which one was Astakhov actually lost? B Rgds Stig |
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Re: JG 77 victories
Stig, in post #59 it indicates the 23 Jul 42 for that combat as going MIA. I could probably find information for the two Yak-1 pilots on the 24 July 42.
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Re: JG 77 victories
Sorry I don't follow you.
I am aware you are talking about July 23rd, but you have two pilots MIA that day, both unknown and during two combat missions. If known, I am interested to know in which one Astakhov was lost, the morning mission or the afternoon mission B Rgds Stig |
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Re: JG 77 victories
Nothing in the report indicates which combat on the 23 July that Astakhov was lost in the report.
Same can be said for Mladshiy Leytenant Veniamin Sokolov of 247 IAP killed in aerial combat in a Yak-1 in the area of Kuleshevka on the 24 July 1942. There is no combat journal for the 247 IAP on line to go into that closer. |
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Re: JG 77 victories
I see Michael
Thanks for checking and your confirmation. B Rgds Stig |
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Re: JG 77 victories
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TsAMO. F. 319, Op. 0004798, D. 0032, L. 112 (vkh 0653/7157) Operational Report # 62 Staff 216 IAD Koysug 24.07.1942 21.00 Lieutenant 247 IAP Zhmyrev (Shmyrev Alexey) on a Yak-1 plane was shot down in a dogfight with 4 Me-109 - fell in the Kuleshovka area. The pilot was killed, the plane crashed. Sergeant Popov from 247 IAP made an emergency landing on a Yak-1 aircraft after an air battle 300 meters from the Koysug-2 airfield, the pilot returned to his unit. Measures have been taken to evacuate the aircraft. Junior Lieutenant 247 IAP Sokolov on a Yak-1 aircraft was burned on landing at Kuleshovka airfield by two Me-109F. The pilot was killed, the plane burned down. During the storming of the Kuleshovka airfield, two Me-109F anti-aircraft machine gun fire shot down 1 Me-109F, which fell near the airfield Best regards, Kirill Last edited by kirche; 15th December 2022 at 20:54. |
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TsAMO. F. 319, Op. 0004798, D. 0032, L. 106 (vkh 0651/7069) Operational Report # 61 Staff 216 IAD Koysug 23.07.1942 21.00 They did not return from a combat mission: Sergeant Kossa (Mikhail) 247 IAP on Yak-1 aircraft was shot down in a dogfight with ME-109. According to the observations of the crews, he jumped out with a parachute in the Bataysk area. The condition of the pilot is unknown. (Addendum in Report No. 62 - Sergeant Kossa 247 IAP, who did not return from a combat mission on 07/23/1942, returned on 07/24/1942 without an aircraft. The plane crashed.) Senior Lieutenant Astakhov 247 IAP on a Yak-1 aircraft after an air battle with enemy aircraft Me-109 over the Kuleshovka airfield did not return from the mission. |
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Re: JG 77 victories
Hi Kirill, great info, awesome. Thanks for clarifying the data from both dates.
Since Shmylev and Sokolov were the only permanent losses, they are the only ones mentioned in Loss Reports. The confusing thing is that Shmylev (Aleksey Romanovich), on both Loss Reports he is mentioned, his loss date is given as having occurred on the 27th. So, I suppose it is ''more'' correct to assume that the date given on the Combat Report is the correct one. |
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Re: JG 77 victories
Hello Paulo,
in the Loss Report there is a typo (perhaps when typing from a handwritten list - "7" and "4" are written similarly sometimes) - in that list all the losses of each regiment are arranged by date in chronological order (9, 13, 23, 24, 25). For 07/27/1942, the combat report did not indicate the losses of the 247 IAP. In the remaining documents, secondary information is based on the same list of division level. On this site, the Combat Reports of 216 IAD for that period, which were published on the website "Memory of the People" (their copies from the fund 4 VA), were translated into an editable format. http://don1942.ru/svedeniya-iz-arkhi...jstviya-216iad Last edited by kirche; 17th December 2022 at 17:13. |
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