7th and 14th July 1944, 15th USAAF fighters claims vs. Me 410

[Erich]

III./ZG 26 did have some intersting a/c on hand. August of 44 some Bf 110G-4's, a loss of a Ju 88C-6 on September 2, 1944. last 3 losses I note for III. gruppe were on October 24, 1944 and they were Bf 110G-2's from 12th staffel with codes:

4A+IU
4A+HU
4A+CU, the 4 in the case of 12th staffel may have been an H ? I think my eyes are going bad..........Luftkampf with all crews KIA.

[Gizmo]

Originally Posted by Erich

last 3 losses I note for III. gruppe were on October 24, 1944 and they were Bf 110G-2's from 12th staffel

12th Staffel is a part of IV./ZG 26 not III./ZG 26,
Look at http://www.ww2.dk/air/zerstorer/zg26.htm. There is tabele with Me 410 belong to III./ZG 26, but no trace of Me 410 in Flugzeugbestand und Bewegungsmeldungen at http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/zerst/biiizg26.html

[Erich]

yes correct there was no division between III. and IV./ZG 26 in my listings.

last of III./ZG 26 was two losses to 7th staffel, on the 10th and the other on the 26 of May 1944. 2 Bf 110G-2 lost in combat and crashed. last 110 was coded 3U+LS both crew killed

[Franek Grabowski]

You must have some critical approach toward sources. Could you consider an author writing just about everything a reliable source?

[Michi.]

Gentlemen, although the topic was last discussed many, many years ago, here is my tidbit:
I'm doing than and now a very low level research on last missions of Me 410 from July 1944 till end of the war.

19440708:
An diesem Tag wurden 7 Messerschmitt Me 410 im niederösterreichischen Luftraum von alliierten Jägern abgeschossen.

On this day 7 Me 410 were shot down over Lower Austria.
I guess they started from Tulln Airfield.

1./I./ZG 76:
Me 410 ... Olt Hirschfelder, Dietrich ... & ... Uffz Rieder, Günter ..... Tulln
Me 410 ... Lt Pestel, Karl ... & ... Uffz Wenz, Ernst ..... Mollersdorf
Me 410 ... Uffz Ahrens, Werner ... & ... Uffz Frühwald, Leopod ..... Grafenwörth (6 km südlich)

2./I./ZG 76:
Me 410 ... ???????? ... & ... Uffz Brömme, Gerhard ..... Jetzelsdorf
Me 410 ... Ofw Westerhof, Josef ... & ... Uffz Blasche, Gerhard ..... Höbersbrunn(-bach?)/Krems
Me 410 ... Ofw Rothbart, Hans ... & ... Uffz Kroth, Albert ..... Maria Ponsee

3./I./ZG 76:
Me 410 ... Lt Heinz, Arnold ... & ... Gfr Schneider, Raimund ..... Fels/Kollersdorf (7 km südlich)

Source:
A booklet about German Luftwaffe crashes in Austria.



Just a side-step:


19440702:
Der mit der Messerschmitt Me 410 ausgestatten I./ZG 76 gelang im Verbund mit Me 109 der II./JG 27 und mit Me 110 des II./ZG 1 am Sonntag, dem 02. Juli 1944 ein sich nie mehr wiederholender Schlag gegen die U.S. Airforce.
An diesem Tag gelang es der Luftwaffe in der Luftschlacht über Budapest 45 alliierte Flugzeuge abzuschießen, darunter waren 34 4-mot Bomber. Die I./ZG 76 konnte 8 Boeing B-17 ohne eigene Verluste abschießen.

Just only a week earlier the same hy fighter group (I./ZG 76) shot down 8 B-17 Bombers without a single loss.


Source:
Also a booklet, but this time one about Me 410.


MfG mICHi

[srrosso]

Hello Michi,
I'm also interested in the period you are researching (last missions of me410)
Could you please email me. srrosso@hotmail.com.

Cheers
Steve

[Edward L. Hsiao]

Gentlemen,

This is a pretty interesting topic indeed! The Me 410 should have been an improvement over the Bf-110 but it wasn't.

Sincerely,

Edward L. Hsiao

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Edward L. Hsiao

Gentlemen,

The Me 410 should have been an improvement over the Bf-110 but it wasn't.

Sincerely,

Edward L. Hsiao

Depends on the role it was playing … long-range night intruder, high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft?

[Paul Thompson]

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

Depends on the role it was playing … long-range night intruder, high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft?

As I understand it, the bigger problem was not the tasks which the Me 410 performed, but rather the fact that it inherited many of the inferior handling qualities of the Me 210. The Me 410 also had an aerodynamically unsound engine installation, which is why the proposed Me 410 C would have adopted the DB 603 with an annular radiator, which was used on the far more successful He 219.

Warm regards,

Paul

[Nick Beale]

Happy to continue that discussion but (entirely my fault) we'd be going off topic and into Axis territory.