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Old 1st June 2006, 02:00
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Loss of Lancaster LM523

On the night of 27 - 28 April 1944 Lancaster II LM523 of No.460 Squadron was shot down by a night-fighter while on an op to Friedrichshafen. Is it possible to obtain the details of who made the claim for this loss?

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Re: Loss of Lancaster LM523

There were 15 claims for Lancasters made for this date. They were:

Hptm. Wallner of L.Beo.St. 7 at 0119
Hptm Kurt Bonow of StabIII./NJG 5 at 0120
Hptm Karl Hadeball of 3./NJG 6 at 0140
Oblt. Heinz Schnaufer of StabIV./NJG 1 at 0140
Hptm Martin Drewes of StabIII./NJG 1 at 0148
Oblt Martin Becker of 2./NJG 6 at 0157
Oblt HErmann Greiner of 11./NJG 1 at 0158
Oblt Wilhelm Henseler of 1./NJG1 at 0158
Maj Hans-Joachim Jabs of Stab./NJG 1 at 0210
Hptm Kurt Bonow of StabIII./NJG 5 at 0210
Fhr Robert Schratter of 9./NJG 5 at 0210
Maj Wilhelm Herget of StabI./NJG 4 at 0250
Fw. Gunther Bahr of 3./NJG 6 at 0251
Hptm Heinz-Horst Hißbach of 5./NJG 2 at 0306
Ltn Erich Jung of 6./NJG 2 at 0310


It would be helpful if you could supply details of the crash time and location (if known)

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Re: Loss of Lancaster LM523

funny, I have a listing of 25 Lancs shot down with a total of 36 for the night against the RAF, inclusion of Halis in that total.

NJG 6 claimed 14 this night's operation
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Re: Loss of Lancaster LM523

I have in my notes the RAF raided Aulnoye, Friederichshafen, and Montzen with a force of 665 Dispatched and the loss of 35.

I have those losses "claimed" as 15 Lancs and 31 Halifax between 0119 and 0310hrs on the night of 27-28 April 1944 by the nachtjagdwaffe. Are you talking about actual Lanc. losses, or claims by the NJG? My original post was only refering to claims made against Lancasters...

I could very well be wrong though
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Re: Loss of Lancaster LM523

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There were 15 claims for Lancasters made for this date. They were:

Hptm. Wallner of L.Beo.St. 7 at 0119
Hptm Kurt Bonow of StabIII./NJG 5 at 0120
Hptm Karl Hadeball of 3./NJG 6 at 0140
Oblt. Heinz Schnaufer of StabIV./NJG 1 at 0140
Hptm Martin Drewes of StabIII./NJG 1 at 0148
Oblt Martin Becker of 2./NJG 6 at 0157
Oblt HErmann Greiner of 11./NJG 1 at 0158
Oblt Wilhelm Henseler of 1./NJG1 at 0158
Maj Hans-Joachim Jabs of Stab./NJG 1 at 0210
Hptm Kurt Bonow of StabIII./NJG 5 at 0210
Fhr Robert Schratter of 9./NJG 5 at 0210
Maj Wilhelm Herget of StabI./NJG 4 at 0250
Fw. Gunther Bahr of 3./NJG 6 at 0251
Hptm Heinz-Horst Hißbach of 5./NJG 2 at 0306
Ltn Erich Jung of 6./NJG 2 at 0310


It would be helpful if you could supply details of the crash time and location (if known)

Adam

Adam,

I have no time of crash but the location is given as Lahr.

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Re: Loss of Lancaster LM523

We have some more cities or villages called "Lahr" in Germany:

• Baden-Württemberg, s/e Strassbourg, n/w Friedrichshafen, n Freiburg
• Rheinland-Pfalz, n/w Trier
• Rheinland-Pfalz, n/w Trier s/w Koblenz, w Frankfurt
• Niedersachsen, s/w Bremen
• Hessen, n/w Frankfurt
• Bayern, n/e Rosenheim
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Re: Loss of Lancaster LM523

The following site might prove useful,

http://medlem.spray.se/jabs/Nachtjagd.html

search for 27.04.44 and 28.04.44 separately...

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Re: Loss of Lancaster LM523

Thanks to all for the input. It will give me something to work on.

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Re: Loss of Lancaster LM523

Australians from 460 Sqn killed 28 April, 1944

http://lostbombers.co.uk

Further Information

"Serial Range LM301 - LM756 This aircraft was one of 350 Lancasters ordered from A.V.Roe (Yeadon) as Mk.111s except for the first ten as Mk.1s (LM301- LM310), delivered from Oct42 to Oct44. Mk.1s had Merlin 20 engines and the Mk.111s Merlin 38 engines initially installed. LM523 was delivered to 460 Sqdn 12Apr44. Lost on its first Key Operation. When lost this aircraft had a total of 23 hours. LM523 was one of three No.460 Sqdn Lancasters lost on this operation. See: LL906; ND364. Airborne 2127 27Apr44 from Binbrook. Shot down by a night-fighter and crashed at Lahr. Those killed are buried in D_rnbach War Cemetery. P/O Lynch was repatriated 6Feb45 because of injuries. S/L E.G.D.Jarman DFC RAAF KIA Sgt D.G.Champkin KIA F/O M.W.Carroll DFC RAAF KIA F/O F.G.Jackson DFC RAAF KIA F/O H.R.Harrison RAAF KIA F/O R.L.Neal RAAF KIA P/O T.J.Lynch RAAF Inj P/O T.J.Lynch had his right leg amputated. Repatriated 'Arundel Castle' 6Feb45. "
LM523 AR-L2

ND324 AR-F

LL906 AR-B

Leslie Walter Bown (ND324)

Marmion Wilfred Carroll DFC (LM523)

Allan John Farrar (ND324)

Hector Ronald Harrison (LM523)

Francis Gordon Jackson DFC (LM523)

Eric George Delancey Jarman DFC (LM523)

Joseph Leary (ND324)

Henry Gillen McAllister (ND324)

Ronald Leslie Neal (LM523)

Douglas George Champkin RAFVR (LM523)

Thomas Joseph Lynch Survived War – right leg amputated (LM523)

Arthur Robert Patterson. (ND324)

Thomas Evan Jones RAFVR (ND324)

Roy Stanley Pountney RAFVR (ND324)

LM523 Served with 460 Sqn under RAF Control 20/04/44 to 27/04/44, coded AR-L2. 5 Total and 460 Sqn missions. Shot down by a night fighter and crashed at Lahr.

May have been shot down by either of the following
http://math.fce.vutbr.cz/safarik/ACE...-lancaster.pdf

Date Rank First Name Surname Unit Enemy Place
28.4.1944 Fhr Robert Schratter NJG5 Lancaster Friedrichshafen 6000m
28.4.1944 Fw Gunther Bahr NJG6 Lancaster 50-80km NW Friedrichshafen 5500m
28.4.1944 Hptm Paul Zorner NJG5 Lancaster NW Friedrichshafen 6000m


http://www.luftwaffe.cz/zorner.html
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/bahr.html
Cannot find a site for Schratter

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